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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:16:43 PM(UTC)
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Brett is the best ever? The numbers would beg to differ. He might -- might -- be in the top ten, but that's stretching it.
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Offline Packers_Finland  
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:19:31 PM(UTC)
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Brett Favre is a top 5 QB of all-time for sure if he retires now. Absolutely no question. Maybe top 3 even.

I'd rank him behind Joe Montana and Dan Marino.
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Offline Bigbyfan  
#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:19:35 PM(UTC)
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Brett is the best ever? The numbers would beg to differ. He might -- might -- be in the top ten, but that's stretching it.


"The numbers would beg to differ?" If you go by the numbers there is no question top 10, or even better.
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:25:54 PM(UTC)
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If you go by raw numbers, perhaps. Anyone who's played as many games as he would have incredible raw numbers. But if you put his numbers in perspective -- that is, make rates and percentages out of them -- they fade quickly into the pack.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:28:31 PM(UTC)
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If you go by raw numbers, perhaps. Anyone who's played as many games as he would have incredible raw numbers. But if you put his numbers in perspective -- that is, make rates and percentages out of them -- they fade quickly into the pack.


I would love if you did some research to back this up. I'm pretty sure Favre's TD averages per season are pretty high when compared against "legendary" QBs.
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Offline DakotaT  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:28:45 PM(UTC)
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Awe quarterback ranking, my favorite subject.

Elway, Favre, P. Manning, then Marino. The system quarterbacks don't compare to the gun slingers. Championships are won by teams and luck, not overrated drivers of offenses.
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:30:23 PM(UTC)
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Finland, have a look at these numbers for starters.

In the words of holyterra:

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There are lots of QBs that are not only more consistent, but consistently better than Favre. He is about 17th on the list of all time career rating. It took a 107 this year to climb above Trent Green. He is still behind Daunte Culpepper and Jeff Garcia.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:36:19 PM(UTC)
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I'll believe it when I see it. I'll still take him back if he pulled what he did last year, despite the contract. Hell, I'll be willing to wait until the regular season kicks off to have him come back.

So far all I've seen are rumors, never a direct quote from Favre. So who knows what the deal is..

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They could've drafted Jimmy Clausen in the late first or early second.


They were never interested in Clausen.. with or without Favre. They didn't invite him for workouts and I believe they never even attended any of his pro day stuff either.


Fair enough. If they were really interested, they would've drafted him as their long term solution, anyway.
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:38:03 PM(UTC)
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I believe it a week before the New Orleans game. Once Minnesota starts game planning for the Saints, that's the point of no return.

If he's physically able to play, he'll play.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:41:39 PM(UTC)
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I think its all funny, but still think he's playing in 2010.

Some say 'Brett didnt say it so Im not worried'. I say bull. Brett himself said he was done twice in six months and then three weeks after the latter, unretired. So, what he says, means squat.

I think its funny because its all over the media again and it has Vikings fan's ... thinking. Surely most of them realize, he's most likely returning, but for the group that's fretting ... weee dogggggie!

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#41 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:17:40 PM(UTC)
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anyone think ESPN is just looking for some hot story? Hell on sportscenter they couldn't give any proof of Brett retiring. The head coach never heard it and Mr Ed says he hasn't heard anything and afterall Brett told him first about the surgery.

He will be back. But at times you have to feel sorry for the guy. He gets ridiculed for talking and then when he don't say anything they nail him that way. He is in a no win situation.
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Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be :)
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#42 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:24:41 PM(UTC)
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It does make for a fun day.

We get (yet another) Brett Favre "tribute day", and it's on the Vikes fans "nickel"- so-to-speak---

They get to (most of 'em) freak out about it, speculate on what's going on, bitch, moan and whine---

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Brent will be a Viking this year, imo--

Hopefully Chilly and co. have to further kiss his ass in order for him to play, as I like that aspect, but I am not in the camp of Packer fans that want him gone in order to increase our chances to take the NFC North, etc.

I want to kick the Vikings asses with Brett Favre as their quarterback.
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:25:53 PM(UTC)
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By Kevin Seifert

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- You have my permission to be skeptical of Brett Favre's apparent intention to retire rather than play this season for the Minnesota Vikings. I know I am.

Favre deserves nothing but our skepticism, especially after announcing his retirement in March 2008. And July 2009. And, privately, several more times in between. Someday, it will be for real. But the only way we'll know that is if the season comes and goes without Favre in uniform. We're six months from that eventuality.

It's true, there might be more going on than we know. But this roller coaster is turning into a joke. I'm here at the Detroit Lions' training camp -- amazing, isn't it? -- and the first five Lions people I talked to all expressed the same reaction that you and I have.

As in, let's just wait a minute and see whether this really plays out the way it's being suggested it might.

Remember, Favre began texting Vikings players and coaches in July 2009 with the news that he would retire. He formally told coach Brad Childress the same thing on the eve of training camp, and within days he was texting Vikings players and asking them how camp was going.

By mid-August, he was on the practice field.

History can't always be our guide, and I'm sure some of you probably think I'm just in denial. Trust me, I'm not. You're not using your capacity as an intelligent human being if you don't have deep, deep reservations about the sincerity of Favre's mindset right now.

His status will be day-to-day until all 32 NFL teams don't want him to play for them. As long as there is one, just one, he remains a possibility to be in uniform.

Of course, we have to consider both sides of this. I'll be back shortly with some thoughts on where the Vikings, and the rest of the NFC North, will be if Favre indeed doesn't play this season. But, please, hold your breath on that one.
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#44 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:27:50 PM(UTC)
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I find the timing of this leak highly suspicious. As someone else pointed out, as of today, Brett Favre is officially a holdout. It seems to me that giving word of retirement represents more a way to avoid the financial sanctions that would result from holding out than any serious decision to hang up the cleats.

I will say this, however: If Brett Favre is truly serious this time, he is nothing short of a dick for waiting until the eve of training camp to inform the Vikings of that fact. But then, what else is new?
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:27:54 PM(UTC)
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He get's ridiculed because he says something to someone then doesn't say anything for a while then says just the opposite later. I'm sure at times he feels like he just can't go through another season but until he is sure he should not say anything about the subject except to his family.(wife and kids)
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