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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:59:12 PM(UTC)

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Listed below are the stats Peyton Manning would need to average for the specified years to start passing Favres records. With amazing numbers, he may begin passing him as early as four years from now. However, most of these records will be passed in five to six years. An asterisk denotes the point that exceeds Mannings current yearly averages.

4 More Years (2013 Season) Age 37: Completions 463 Attempts 820 Yards 4,800, TD 33

5 More Years (2014) Age 38: Completions 370 Attempts 656 Yards 3,840*, TD 26*

6 More Years (2015) Age 39: Completions 308* Attempts 546 Yards 3200*, TD 22*

7 More Years (2016) Age 40: Completions 264* Attempts 469* Yards 2743*, TD 19*
Offline gopackers08  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:26:33 PM(UTC)

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Not only will Manning pass Favre's numbers, but he will crush them. There is no doubt in my mind that Manning is a better stats guy than Favre. Also, I'm saying that only if Favre doesn't keep coming back year after year. But as the stats stand right now I think Manning will easily do it.

Manning also has had many fewer injuries than Favre has and he could play into his young 40s.

Just my opinion.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:28:56 PM(UTC)

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It'll only take one Super Bowl win to pass Brett in rings.


I threw some numbers together to get an idea of how long it might take.

I think the TD record might be the only one in real jeopardy.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:37:41 PM(UTC)

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This here.. the record book, is something I really care less about tied to an individual athlete.. that includes Brett Favre.

Stats in this game are so interdependent upon your teammates, that IMO it is one of the biggest misconceptions when judging talent. Don't are about the position.. this sport is the ultimate team sport where IMO you can't rely on stats to determine a players place in history.

It isn't Basketball or Baseball where situations are more segmented upon the individual.

So that is a long winded way to say I don't a rats ass if Peyton catches him or not. Wink
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:43:00 PM(UTC)

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I wasn't saying one was better than the other based on stats, or saying it at all. I simply posed a question, because stats interest me. Oddly enough, you have no interest and said more than I did. Smile
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:46:11 PM(UTC)

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This here.. the record book, is something I really care less about tied to an individual athlete.. that includes Brett Favre.

Stats in this game are so interdependent upon your teammates, that IMO it is one of the biggest misconceptions when judging talent. Don't are about the position.. this sport is the ultimate team sport where IMO you can't rely on stats to determine a players place in history.

It isn't Basketball or Baseball where situations are more segmented upon the individual.

So that is a long winded way to say I don't a rats ass if Peyton catches him or not. Wink




I disagree, while it may not be quite as important as other sports its still a proper metric of talent. To be in the league for so many years as a starting QB means that no one ever toook your spot which means you were always the best option.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:59:20 PM(UTC)

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I wasn't saying one was better than the other based on stats, or saying it at all. I simply posed a question, because stats interest me. Oddly enough, you have no interest and said more than I did. Smile


LOL.. like I said.. a long winded dis of the stats arguments that spawn within this game.. sooner or later it will turn into the whom is better.. or the top 5 all time QB's based on stats.

While stats have some longevity or a player striving within a team and system value.. IMO, it doesn't justify the natural talent of players very well..

Just one quick example.. anyone that thinks Emmitt Smith was a better back than Sander, Payton, Simms, Dorsett, or Brown based on stats, IMO, is barking up the wrong tree.

One has to look no further than the offensive line, QB, and offense that Smith was dropped into verse say a Sanders or Payton.. case closed.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:23:39 PM(UTC)

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You pulled the Barry Sanders card!!!!
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:39:51 PM(UTC)

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I can throw out others if need be.. but the Smith one is just low hanging fruit.. IMO.. Smith probably doesn't crack the all time top 25 list let alone anything else.

In this game.. player stats for the most part are skewed by their playing situation and environment.

But I like the Sanders card. Wink
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:43:07 PM(UTC)

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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 5, 2010 12:30:18 AM(UTC)

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I love stats and wish Packers owned every single one of them, but especially Lombardi trophies.

Favre was a Packer for most of his career. Manning never was a Packer. Now if Rodgers and Manning swap teams, I'll be rooting for Manning to break Favre's records. If not, I hope Favre keeps playing and puts them out of reach.

But like I said, Lombardi trophies are more important and that's a team record.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 5, 2010 2:49:33 AM(UTC)

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I'm not sure though if Manning will be as good as Favre at a later age as he doesn't have the mobility or arm strength Brett has but his smarts might make up for it. Also I feel the Colts are due for some down years as no teams stay on top for a long time anymore
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:00:31 AM(UTC)

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Peyton Manning is prototypical NFL QB. Brett isn't.

I've seen Peyton Manning make great plays because the guy is an expert at what he does.

I've seen Brett Favre make great plays because the guy won't quit, no matter what's stacked against him.

Beating Peyton Manning is a systematic approach. Beating Brett Favre is about how much you wanna do it.

I really doubt Manning is going to be throwing the balls Brett throws now at age 40. But he CAN catch the records. I just don't see anybody else playing this long.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:07:28 AM(UTC)

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The decades they play in also means a lot. 14 of the 17 players ranked higher than Favre on the all time list are Active Players. Including Jeff Garcia and Daunte Culpepper. Now is a great time to be a QB.

Life time accumulation records don't mean much if you play twice as long as the vast majority of QBs. He also got more ints, more fumbles, more sacks, more ints in the playoffs... I would be more interested in things like TD/TO ratio, Yards/TO, Completion percentage, QB rating and stuff like that. Even that is subject to the team they play with. Look at Tom Brady and Matt Cassell. The Patriots make them both look great, Cassell goes to the Chiefs and his rating drops 20 points. Bradys line starts to break down and their D retires and he has trouble scoring.

The one stat that impresses me is the consecutive games. No matter what, that is out standing and will probably never be beaten.
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Dexter, I've been fighting this fight long before you arrived here, and I can tell you it's a losing battle. People are blinded by the raw numbers -- the life time accumulation records, as you call them -- and never put them in the context of the ratios you mention.

Ah, well, stand back-to-back with me and we'll bravely wield our swords together. Wink
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