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Offline Wade  
#91 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:13:02 PM(UTC)
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I wouldn't call the Saints a dirty team. I haven't seen them play enough to tell. IMO they did have a "dirty strategy" for the playoff game against Minnesota. There were too many low hits/borderline late hits, plus their DC was unapologetic. I'm not a Viking fan, but it looked to me like part of their strategy was to take #4 out.

And much as I hate the Vikings, that to me is not the way the game is supposed to be played.

If they had been playing against anyone other than Peyton Manning, I probably would have rooted for the Colts in the Super Bowl. Instead, I decided to do something else that evening and paid more attention to Super Bowl commercials than to the game itself.
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#92 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:54:47 PM(UTC)
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If all these texts happened (and I don't understand why anyone cares), why doesn't one of these reporters look at one and post what it said? I'm sure Favre didn't send personal messages to every single person, they were likely a mass message, so its not like the person is going to be "outted".

I am so confused about this whole thing. On the first day, the story got reported, Favre did not say anything. So if these players did receive these texts, why wouldn't the ones that did, just say something? Why would Longwell, Allen, Hutchinson, Peterson, etc. all lie.

And what is Favre's motivation for lying, or what is Longwell's motivation for lying. I am dumbfounded about just how much the media and the public cares about Favre. Texts that apprently happened but no one saw then caused ESPN to have a Favre special and caused NFL network to have a Favre special, every news outlet in North America picking it up and columnists poking at Favre for being selfish, etc. ALL from texts that these reporters havn't even seen?!
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#93 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:13:38 PM(UTC)
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I think ... Brett did send the messages and the Vikings higher ups went crazy go nuts trying to change Brett's mind. Meanwhile, the players didn't know how to respond publicly. Damn well knowing if they said he's retiring, it might trip him into retiring and causing a spanking from the coaching staff.

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#94 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:28:39 PM(UTC)
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If all these texts happened (and I don't understand why anyone cares), why doesn't one of these reporters look at one and post what it said? I'm sure Favre didn't send personal messages to every single person, they were likely a mass message, so its not like the person is going to be "outted".

I am so confused about this whole thing. On the first day, the story got reported, Favre did not say anything. So if these players did receive these texts, why wouldn't the ones that did, just say something? Why would Longwell, Allen, Hutchinson, Peterson, etc. all lie.

And what is Favre's motivation for lying, or what is Longwell's motivation for lying. I am dumbfounded about just how much the media and the public cares about Favre. Texts that apprently happened but no one saw then caused ESPN to have a Favre special and caused NFL network to have a Favre special, every news outlet in North America picking it up and columnists poking at Favre for being selfish, etc. ALL from texts that these reporters havn't even seen?!


Visanthe Shiancoe did say it !!!

and in Jay's article he said this

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In the end, will Favre play? Absolutely, unless his ankle will put him in harm's way this year. Do I feel Favre felt he was done last week? No doubt, more so now that I've seen and heard the evidence.


To me he talked to the players and was told what the texts said..

but no one believes it cuz names are not put out
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#95 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:16:26 PM(UTC)
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He didn't expect the outpouring???
Come on....does ANYONE believe that?
Each time he retired, you'd think the world was coming to an end! He got all the "sports" talking heads fawning over him, front page on all the magazines. Heck, magazines just about HIM.
He knows what he's doing.
Getting a big fat raise, and all the publicity he could want.
he's NOT stupid.
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#96 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:33:32 PM(UTC)
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Great, this means we'll have a 2nd teary eyed retirement speech.


Nope. He'll sit out the first four weeks and then come in. I'm calling it now, which means he'll probably retire because Favre is the most unpredictable athlete of all time.

Seriously, I think that's the best thing for everyone involved. Sit him and let him heal. Why would you want Favre to go up against a dirty team like New Orleans? Yes, I said dirty. Who cares if you lose a road game against the defending champs. You get Favre back after a 1-2 start and there is no reason why you can't go 10-3 the rest of the way. That gets you in the playoffs for a run.

The biggest thing here is whether or not Favre's ankle responds even in that time span and whether or not his ego will let him miss a couple of games.


Calling the Saints a dirty team is like calling that man in your signature a bigot. It may be technically true because you can point to a few instances, but they're/he's good enough that it doesn't matter.


You are more of a bigot than any bible thumping Christian I have met. And I have met quite a few bible thumpers in my life.
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#97 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:49:57 PM(UTC)
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#98 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:56:57 PM(UTC)
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He didn't expect the outpouring???
Come on....does ANYONE believe that?
Each time he retired, you'd think the world was coming to an end! He got all the "sports" talking heads fawning over him, front page on all the magazines. Heck, magazines just about HIM.
He knows what he's doing.
Getting a big fat raise, and all the publicity he could want.
he's NOT stupid.


He never said he didn't expect the outpouring, so I don't even know why we're even talking about it. The only way we know is if Jay Glazer went into Favre's mind like Inception and figured out what he was thinking or not thinking.

I am getting so sick of all these reports. For some reason with Favre, any shred of journalistic pride is thrown out. I'm pretty sure this entire Text-gate thing started from a TWEET by some Minnesota journalist. Remember the "schism"? Remember Ed Werder's reports last year? Its stupid. These reporters publish based on hearsay, then cover their bums. "Yes, schism but if they win, the players will be fine". What?
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#99 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:06:08 PM(UTC)
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If all these texts happened (and I don't understand why anyone cares), why doesn't one of these reporters look at one and post what it said? I'm sure Favre didn't send personal messages to every single person, they were likely a mass message, so its not like the person is going to be "outted".

I am so confused about this whole thing. On the first day, the story got reported, Favre did not say anything. So if these players did receive these texts, why wouldn't the ones that did, just say something? Why would Longwell, Allen, Hutchinson, Peterson, etc. all lie.

And what is Favre's motivation for lying, or what is Longwell's motivation for lying. I am dumbfounded about just how much the media and the public cares about Favre. Texts that apprently happened but no one saw then caused ESPN to have a Favre special and caused NFL network to have a Favre special, every news outlet in North America picking it up and columnists poking at Favre for being selfish, etc. ALL from texts that these reporters havn't even seen?!


Visanthe Shiancoe did say it !!!

and in Jay's article he said this

Quote:
In the end, will Favre play? Absolutely, unless his ankle will put him in harm's way this year. Do I feel Favre felt he was done last week? No doubt, more so now that I've seen and heard the evidence.


To me he talked to the players and was told what the texts said..

but no one believes it cuz names are not put out


That explanation still doesn't answer my question. Favre started texting all these teammates on Monday night. The only way this all makes sense is if the Vikings organization figured out who Favre texted and then called them up immediately and banned them from talking about a freakin TEXT message. In this day and age, not ONE teammate that received the text told the truth (Shaincoe said he did not receive the text). All of those guys lied? For what?

I don't even care either way but why does anyone care? Lets say Favre did text all these people and say "I'm retired" on Monday night, then all these players lied on Tuesday and then Favre lied about sending the text on Wednesday, etc. - WHY do we care? All that matters is, is he under center against the Packers? If not, we have a better chance of winning.

But why so much fuss about these apparent texts? If Jay Glazer has seen them, why doesn't he just post what they said, I don't get how that reveals the source.

We're talking about "texts" y'all. This really was worth an ESPN Favre Special, an NFL Network Favre Special, every columnist in the country reacting, every news outlet publishing an article, etc? Based on a TWEET and anonymous sources "inside the Vikings organization"?! Is this what journalism has reached?

Maybe its all true and Favre also sent weird pictures to the Jets cheerleader but shouldn't journalists have more proof in order to go so NUTS. On Tuesday, it was like Favre had filed his retirement papers and was eligible for the Hall of Fame. But on Wednesday morning he's working at the High School and rehabbing his ankle.
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#100 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:09:32 PM(UTC)
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Lets say Favre comes out and says I'm retired, then lets get excited and go nuts (and even then, why believe him with his history). But until then, why is everyone chasing around a story based on a Tweet and Text Messages.

Either the Vikings are like the CIA and able to cover up stories very well or this whole thing is blown out of proportion. May be he just texted teammates and said he's leaning toward retirement. Etiher way, WHO CARES UNTIL HE OR THE VIKINGS SAY SOMETHING.
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#101 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:10:13 PM(UTC)
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After all the evidence of the past couple years.. especially in regards to Favre.. the media types report first on the hints of a possible event and then after they claim they were first.. start to validate that there is any truth to their spun version of the story.

And the funny part is we or most fall for it hook, line and sinker time after time. It isn't just ESPN.. it is all these damn journalists that seem centered on being first more than being right.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#102 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:13:42 PM(UTC)
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the guy wondering why it matters has the most post on the subject lol
Offline Wade  
#103 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:19:23 PM(UTC)
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My gut reaction -- Favre had decided that he was coming back several weeks ago, but was using ankle as an easy out for skipping camps. But then the ankle refused to recover as he had hoped and he got discouraged/worried enough that he was going to have to change his mind. But he didnt want to have to call everyone so he sent some texts.
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#104 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:21:43 PM(UTC)
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the guy wondering why it matters has the most post on the subject lol


I am a self described Favre Lover. So obviously I am going to follow his moves in the off season and defend him when people are calling him a liar, etc. But for Packers fans that are apprently "so over Favre", the obsession level with him is unbelievable. There are probably more posts about Text-Gate (texts that may or may not have happened) than there has been on the Packers periods all off season.

Why this big need to discredit him or whatever, Packers have a great QB in Aaron Rodgers, move on if you don't like Favre. But as long as people are going to bring him up and talk about him, I am going to discuss but at the same time I am not going to pretend that I am "so over Favre".

"Oh man I'm so glad that I'm not a Vikings fan and we don't have to deal with this Favre stuff anymore". What? We are all obsessed with his every move on this board. I would guess that Packers fans care more about Favre's every move than Vikings fans do, they seem to have the logical strategy of "waiting and seeing" until they hear from Favre or the Vikings about him retiring.
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#105 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:23:01 PM(UTC)
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After all the evidence of the past couple years.. especially in regards to Favre.. the media types report first on the hints of a possible event and then after they claim they were first.. start to validate that there is any truth to their spun version of the story.

And the funny part is we or most fall for it hook, line and sinker time after time. It isn't just ESPN.. it is all these damn journalists that seem centered on being first more than being right.


Exactly! EVERYONE falls for it. But why do Favre-related stories not have to involve journalistic integrity. Thats what I do not understand.
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