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Offline dhazer  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 1:02:55 AM(UTC)
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I was just curious about everyone's thoughts on this. I know alot will say Greg Jennings, but i'm talking about all around Wr. I personally have to go with Hines Ward from the Steelers, he can play wr, rb, and qb if he has to. He puts up the yards and tds, and even throws tds, But he also blocks, and not those little get in the way blocks but decleating blocks. He has been fined twice this year for his blocks but yet he never got the flag thrown on them. I found this video on youtube which pretty much shows his all around play.
Like i said i was just curious what others thought on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbLNFiQSTyE

[youtube]nbLNFiQSTyE[/youtube]

i would embed it but i couldnt figure out how


*Edit.. embedded it for you DH.. so you can see how the code works.. Pack93z *
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Offline DGB454  
#2 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 7:00:31 AM(UTC)
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Hines is one of the best that's for sure. I haven't watched all of the receivers in the NFL but I do pay attention to the Steelers.
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#3 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 9:38:05 AM(UTC)
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as an all around player hines ward for sure,but at w.r i would go with d.d that guy just doent stop once he has the ball :icon_smile:
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#4 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 9:40:17 AM(UTC)
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Bell all around? Blocking? Catching? Route Running? After the catch?

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#5 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 10:54:55 AM(UTC)
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Andre Johnson, Texans... guy is a bigger faster version of Hines Ward.. wicked blocker in the running game and a monster in the passing game.. total package.

Doesn't get the pub he should.. but a struggling team will do that.. I would build a team around that kid.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 11:34:04 AM(UTC)
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Andre Johnson, Texans... guys is a bigger faster version of Hines Ward.. wicked blocker in the running game and a monster in the passing game.. total package.

Doesn't get the pub he should.. but a struggling team will do that.. I would build a team around that kid.


I'm gonna second that. Theres not really any other guy I can think of that does all the things that Zero & Dhazer mentioned.

Hines is a big time blocker, but he isn't very fast, and isn't exactly the best route runner or runner.
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#7 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 1:24:30 PM(UTC)
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I know this is cliche but I'd take Randy Moss. Yes, he can't block worth a damn. Yes, he's kind of a punk. Yes, he has a low IQ. But he opens things up for an O. He's hands down the best WR since Jerry Rice.

Try covering a guy who's 6'4" and runs a 4.29. Give him a good QB and you have to gameplan to stop him more than any other WR in the NFL. Heck, he made Daunte I'm Glad the Packers Didn't Get Him Culpepper look good.
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#8 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 1:41:44 PM(UTC)
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I know this is cliche but I'd take Randy Moss. Yes, he can't block worth a damn. Yes, he's kind of a punk. Yes, he has a low IQ. But he opens things up for an O. He's hands down the best WR since Jerry Rice.

Try covering a guy who's 6'4" and runs a 4.29. Give him a good QB and you have to gameplan to stop him more than any other WR in the NFL. Heck, he made Daunte I'm Glad the Packers Didn't Get Him Culpepper look good.


I thought we were including route running though?

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#9 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 4:17:27 PM(UTC)
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Best all around? Blocking... Catching... Route Running... After the catch...

Randy Moss Cant/Doesn't block, Doesn't run that great of routes, dangerous after the catch, but no so much now. I still don't think he is as fast as he was in Minnesota. Actually I don't think hes as good period as he was in Minnesota.
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#10 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 5:53:45 PM(UTC)
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Best all around? Blocking... Catching... Route Running... After the catch...

Randy Moss Cant/Doesn't block, Doesn't run that great of routes, dangerous after the catch, but no so much now. I still don't think he is as fast as he was in Minnesota. Actually I don't think hes as good period as he was in Minnesota.


Just last year, he scored 23 TDs. Broke Rice's record.

The only problem is Tom Brady's injured. Give him Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre and you'd see Moss get double digit TDs again and 1200+ yards.
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#11 Posted : Friday, October 24, 2008 7:33:35 PM(UTC)
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I thought about Johnson but i never seen highlights of his blocks. I thought id start this when i was surfing youtube and came across that vid. I just cant see how Moss fits in there like you said he don't block, pretty much his routes are go long lol. But each person has their own opinion. I might even throw in the old vet Derrick Mason i seen him block and his route running is good. He just don't have the qbs to put up huge stats. Thanks Pack for embedding it for me. BTW did anyone notice Ward calling the trainer after he hit Reed before the play was even over?
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#12 Posted : Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:02:45 AM(UTC)
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I don't think I've ever seen anything BUT Hines Ward Blocking Highlights. And his Ocho Cinco mock celebration.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:24:30 AM(UTC)
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Personally, I don't see much of a reason to make a distinction between "best WR" and "best overall WR". Sure, the latter includes things like run blocking, but I don't know how important that really is. I don't have any data to support this, but I suspect a WRs run blocking ability is analogous to a pitcher's defense. Is it an asset? Absolutely. But it's such a small part of their job, that I would generally only use it for tiebreakers. Essentially, as great of a blocker as Hines Ward is, I don't feel that skill is important enough to vault him ahead of the Larry Fitzgeralds of the world.

With that said, I would put Larry Fitzgerald at the top of the best WR class.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:58:58 AM(UTC)
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If you don't think blocking matters in a WR... try asking a RB that once. Just once and you'll find out how untrue that is. :)

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#15 Posted : Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:19:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
If you don't think blocking matters in a WR... try asking a RB that once. Just once and you'll find out how untrue that is. :)


It's not that I think it doesn't matter, just that I think the other duties of a WR are vastly more important. But maybe more importantly, is a WR in the 80th percentile of blocking ability going to be vastly better at it than a WR in the 20th percentile? Again, I don't have any data to support my theory, but my guess would be that the difference is negligible - at least relative to the difference in receiving ability given the same parameters.
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