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Offline PackerTraxx  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:08:45 PM(UTC)
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When Ted Thompson drafted Harrell he had the chance to trade down to Clevland's second, which wasn't too much lower, and then pick up Clevland's first this year. Harell is a bust so far, we may have been able to get him with that second rd pick, and we could have gotten Rashard Mendenhall(or whoever) this year's with the first. But that's all hindsight.

What seems to contradict TT's value of drafts choice is that he didn't make the trade to pick up an extra pick that was also a high pick. Especially being in a building mode.

I wish we would have made that trade. What really hurts is the Cowgirls did. This has been on my mind since then and I'm just curious what others would have done. What do you think?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:11:12 PM(UTC)
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Denver was going to jump on harrell ( they picked 17th and Packers picked 16th ) and I have a feeling Ted Thompson knew that

You do what you needed to do AT THE TIME...

now does it look stupid? Possibly...

But at the time he was a projected top ten pick.....He had an injury that should have been a non issue after a few months.

No one knew he would injury him self this past year playing Wii.
Offline dd80forever  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:13:06 PM(UTC)
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Well if you look at Harrell's career thus far anything would have been better. I don't know if we should have made any trade but I do know I thought it was a reach when it happened. I just wish we would have gone with another player
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Offline brnt247  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:14:01 PM(UTC)
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You're going to get busts in the NFL, it's just how any draft works. You can't really complain about it because it really is a crap shoot. You don't know which players will pan out and which will fall on their face. The idea of drafting Harrell was a very good one, we wanted some young depth in the interior defensive line and we knew that we would lose some in free agency later that year. They were hoping Harrell would build his way up last season and be ready to kick it in to gear this season but it hasn't worked out well. You win some, you lose some.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:20:42 PM(UTC)
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oh well
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Offline Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:21:44 PM(UTC)
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One season doesn't make or break a player.. up until Harrell hurt himself in the weight room.. reports were favorable that he was progressing nicely.. to this point, yes it doesn't look great.. but cut the kid a little slack.

On the trade.. yes it seemed a little out of character for Ted not to pull the trigger on the deal with Cleveland.. but that is where I think they had enough value in Harrell to pull the trigger on him.. we gotta let this play out a bit longer.. in terms of a little Texas Hold'em.. we only have three cards on the table right now.. I'll wait for the turn and river cards before I throw my hand away.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline TheEngineer  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:22:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
You're going to get busts in the NFL, it's just how any draft works. You can't really complain about it because it really is a crap shoot. You don't know which players will pan out and which will fall on their face. The idea of drafting Harrell was a very good one, we wanted some young depth in the interior defensive line and we knew that we would lose some in free agency later that year. They were hoping Harrell would build his way up last season and be ready to kick it in to gear this season but it hasn't worked out well. You win some, you lose some.


Great response. Basically how I feel.
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Offline El3ment12  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:29:11 PM(UTC)
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I don't remember ever hearing he could have been a top round pick. I heard LATE second round..
Offline Pack93z  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:33:29 PM(UTC)
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Many like this.. injury brought his stock down.. otherwise alot of the scouting sites had him in the top 15.. roll the bones type pick on the kid a little cause of injury.. but not lacking talent.

http://www.fftoolbox.com...lay.cfm?Prospect_ID=1188

Justin Harrell Scouting Report
Position: DT
School & Year/Status: Tennessee - Drafted
Height & Weight: 6'5 - 305 lbs.
Drafted 1.16 by GB

2007 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Harrell's 2006 campaign at Tennessee was derailed just three games into the season by a ruptured biceps tendon, but his stock has been on a steady climb since the end of the season. Scouts love his toughness, as exemplified by the fact that after he ruptured the tendon against Air Force, he returned to the game and even played the next week against Florida. Harrell also benched a solid 31 reps at 225 pounds at his Pro Day on March 22. The 6-5, 305-pound defensive tackle is a beast against the run, but he does need to improve on rushing the quarterback. He does, however, have the strength to overpower offensive lineman and disrupt QBs by collapsing the pocket. Durability questions naturally surround him, as Harrell also missed time in 2003 and 2004. Still, Harrell is the third best defensive tackle in this draft class and he figures to come off the board late in round one or early in round two.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline walleye  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:37:12 PM(UTC)
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I say give him time he WILL come around in my Opionion!
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Offline wpr  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:38:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I don't remember ever hearing he could have been a top round pick. I heard LATE second round..


Nope there was talk tht several other teams were considering him if GB did not pick him in the 1st round.
Some "experts" felt that IF HE HAD NOT BEEN INJURED, which was a huge assumption, he would have gone top 10 easy.
So the feeling was once he was over his injury GB picked up a higher value player than the position they were drafting from.
You can't call a player who has not even started his 2nd season a bust. True he has had injuries both years. This years injury was a bit of a fluke.
TT's draft record has been so successful I can not see picking out one or two players and saying that GB should have done something different.
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Offline Since69  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:38:58 PM(UTC)
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Hindsight being 20/20, of course this looks like a good thing now.

But that day, after I heard that Cleveland had been trying to trade back into the first round I thought, "why the hell didn't we go for that?"

I defintely didn't understand the Harrell pick at the time.
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Offline RaiderPride  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:40:39 PM(UTC)
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Means nothing. No one is going to be perfect.

T.T. has proven he is one of the best in the NFL at judging talent, and that is not going to change.

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Offline strobl2  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:41:19 PM(UTC)
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How long will Harrell be out with his injury?
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Offline Packnic  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:43:30 PM(UTC)
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he is hurt. other wise it was a great pick.

he is an impressive specimen. strong fast... a very good Defensive tackle prospect. He got hurt. he isnt dead. he likely will contribute at some point this season and then hopefully many more years to come.

Its way early to start second guessing i think. Aaron Rodgers didnt start for 3 years and now he is the starting QB. Harrell may take some time but i have faith he will contribute.
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Offline PackerTraxx  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:44:59 PM(UTC)
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I think another way of putting it is even if Harrell was healthy was he worth a first and second rd pick.

They must have been pretty high on him.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:31:52 PM(UTC)
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A little early to label him a bust?
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Offline mxchamp004  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:48:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Denver was going to jump on harrell ( they picked 17th and Packers picked 16th ) and I have a feelingTed Thompsonknew that

You do what you needed to do AT THE TIME...

now does it look stupid? Possibly...

But at the time he was a projected top ten pick.....He had an injury that should have been a non issue after a few months.

No one knew he would injury him self this past year playing Wii.


He Got Hurt Playing WII ??!!?!?!?! :microwave: im sorry thats jst hilarious
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Offline dfosterf  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:51:02 PM(UTC)
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This thread is why I'm really liking what you guys have done here web-site-wise. I am very tired of the forums that are populated with those that have such an agenda that they must bash Ted Thompson at every turn, utilizing whatever ammo they can find. I really have nothing of value to add to this conversation, except to say the fact that Justin Harrell isn't producing isn't his fault, TT's fault, or anyone's fault except for what IMHO is a bit of bad luck.
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Offline walleye  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:51:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Denver was going to jump on harrell ( they picked 17th and Packers picked 16th ) and I have a feelingTed Thompsonknew that

You do what you needed to do AT THE TIME...

now does it look stupid? Possibly...

But at the time he was a projected top ten pick.....He had an injury that should have been a non issue after a few months.

No one knew he would injury him self this past year playing Wii.


He Got Hurt Playing WII ??!!?!?!?! :microwave: im sorry thats jst hilarious

Yes it is fricken hiliarious.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:54:24 PM(UTC)
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A little early to label him a bust?


Yes. It is too early to call him a bust.

He gets one more year before "bust" status.

As of now, he's "heading for bust" status.
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Offline pack_in_black  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:30:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
A little early to label him a bust?


Yes. It is too early to call him a bust.

He gets one more year before "bust" status.

As of now, he's "heading for bust" status.



You mean a Canton bust? Jeez, zombie, lay off the Ted Thompson Kool-Aid.


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Offline Cheesey  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:22:11 PM(UTC)
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Sometimes you take chances, and HOPE they pan out for you. Will Harrel ever make it here? I don't know yet. But he better step it up soon.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#24 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:33:08 PM(UTC)
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I think the man has 2 more years to prove himself. You do remember he was a rookie last year, right?
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Offline Greg C.  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:46:15 PM(UTC)
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Thompson likes to trade down, but he doesn't ALWAYS trade down. He must have had a strong feeling about Harrell. It seemed like a curious pick at the time, and it's only gotten more curious during the past year and a half. Hopefully Harrell can turn things around soon. We sure could use him.
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