Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
2 Pages12>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:27:18 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

United States
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)
Location: Germany
Applause Given: 397
Applause Received: 304
Quote:
[size=18]Super Bowl Flyover Cost Over $450,000 . . . Even Larger Flyover Planned For Turkey Bowl[/size]
Published 1, February 8, 2011

While watching the Super Bowl, I remarked to the kids on the curious concept of a flyover by Navy jets for a closed stadium where the fans watched on jumbo screens. My mirth turned to madness when I just saw on Reddit, however, that it cost the public $450,000. I am also pleased to announce the scheduled flyover (left) planned for this years Turley Turkey Bowl.

The Navy says the cost to bring the formation of four planes, plus a backup, to North Texas was over $450,000, based on the operational cost of the F-18 aircraft and the number of hours the pilots will fly. They came from Virginia Beach because the military decided it was better to take them from across the country rather than use the squadron of F-18 fighters at the Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth, less than 20 miles from the stadium.

The Navy insists that it is good for public relations . . . for the public to see that it is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time of economic stress to fly over a closed domed stadium.

It works for me. I have completed the DD 2253 (Request for Military Aerial Support) form below for my own military flyover for my annual Turley Thanksgiving Turkey Bowl with children in the neighborhood. This Redskins-Bears game is a public event with considerable following.

Unlike the Super Bowl, the Turley Turkey bowl is held in an open field ideal for our flyover.

The Turley Turkey Bowl organization released the following statement:

We are delighted by the opportunity to have a flyover added our annual game watched by dozens across this suburb. While we have a squadron of F-18s located less than a mile away at Langley, we would prefer planes from Europe to perform the flyover to capture the international spirit of this event.

Note to readers: following this blog entry, the Turley Turkey Bowl will be trademarked. However, you may continue to refer to it as the Big Game in McLean or simply The Event Formerly Known As The Turley Turkey Bowl.

Here is our form: DD2535-Aviation
Source: KHOU.

Jonathan Turley
Offline Porforis  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 4:08:19 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

United States
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Applause Given: 298
Applause Received: 573
I think it would have been worth the aforementioned cost plus a couple low-yield bombs just to shut Christina Augulera up.
Offline wpr  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:09:14 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,799
Applause Received: 1,932
I don't mind the flyover. I do have to wonder why they need them if the dome is closed. But with that said I once stood outside Lambeau as the planes flew over. They popped over the edge of the bowl and screamed overhead. It was amazing. Let's say they were there for the 1000's who were outside instead of those that were inside. I wish they would have used the planes out of Ft Worth.
Offline wpr  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:09:45 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,799
Applause Received: 1,932
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I think it would have been worth the aforementioned cost plus a couple low-yield bombs just to shut Christina Augulera up.


love it. I'll + you.
Offline doddpower  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:47:57 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2015

United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA
Applause Given: 3,362
Applause Received: 929
I blame Barack Obama.
Offline MassPackersFan  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:43:12 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/16/2007(UTC)
Applause Given: 1
Applause Received: 7
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I blame Barack Obama.


Tax and spend tax and spend.

I heard W pulled some strings and was actually able to ride on one of them for the flyover.

UserPostedImage
Offline istanbulpacker  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:51:47 PM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 10/12/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 1
Applause Received: 7
That $450,000 is a bit of a red herring. I'm sure that factors in cost for gas for the flight hours concerned. However, those are flight hours that they need to burn anyhow for training. Coming from Virginia, those pilots got training in out of area ops, probably satisfied some annual night hour requirements, and instrument flight time requirements. Furthermore, it is more difficult than you think to execute a perfect flyover where you come blasting over the stadium just as the singer finishes the last notes of "....the braaaaaaa-ve." It is a time-distance problem that is analogous to having a time on target for dropping ordnance. Except, here you don't have a hard clock time but have to adjust for the singer's timing.

Bottom Line: These pilots could have spent that $450K flying circles overhead their main field to get the same training. Or, they could use that money in conjunction with a highly publicized public affairs event such as the Super Bowl. Very high visibility event. Granted, the idea of flying over a closed dome is absurd to me but we'll blame that on Jerry Jones. As far as the Navy or Air Force are concerned, you never know what 10-yr old football fan sitting in the stadium is going to look up and decide that flying jets is for him (or her).
Offline wpr  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:15:39 PM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,799
Applause Received: 1,932
I was told that the pilots go into a holding pattern of sorts near the stadium. They push on the peddle so to speak when they hear the singer gets to a certain point in the song.
When the singers ad-lib and hold notes for their own satisfaction the song takes longer than planned and the planes fly over too soon.

Along the lines of what you are saying istanbul, the line

Quote:
The Navy insists that it is good for public relations . . . for the public to see that it is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time of economic stress to fly over a closed domed stadium.


is so lame. It is not as if they are buying aviation fuel along the way. they are not stopping at the local diner and grabbing a bite to eat.
If they do land it is at a local base. they are most likely getting something to eat on base (hard to make reservations in Dallas doing the SB.) If they stay over night it will also be on base and not at one of the over priced hotel's in the area. There is nothing in the $450,000 that even remotely stimulates the economy. The $450,000 is already a part of the budget and does nothing more than what would happen if the flight did not occur or a crew took off from Ft Worth instead.
Offline Pack93z  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:23:35 PM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2012

United States
Joined: 3/16/2007(UTC)
Location: North Central Wisconsin
Applause Given: 436
Applause Received: 1,227
Lets see... 1200 seats x average cost of $800 (face value) = $960,000.00

Hmmm.. maybe the NFL figured they need two flyovers. ;)



[marq=right]Yes I know.. we the public spent the money.. [/marq]
Offline istanbulpacker  
#10 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:05:19 AM(UTC)
Rank: Registered

Joined: 10/12/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 1
Applause Received: 7
" said: Go to Quoted Post
It is not as if they are buying aviation fuel along the way. they are not stopping at the local diner and grabbing a bite to eat.
If they do land it is at a local base. they are most likely getting something to eat on base (hard to make reservations in Dallas doing the SB.) If they stay over night it will also be on base and not at one of the over priced hotel's in the area. There is nothing in the $450,000 that even remotely stimulates the economy. The $450,000 is already a part of the budget and does nothing more than what would happen if the flight did not occur or a crew took off from Ft Worth instead.


You are on target here but I'll take it one step further. You are assuming that the Navy foots the bill for the whole thing. Most of these flyovers at airshows, parades, football games, etc are done on No Cost Orders by pilots who give up their weekend to do the event because they have a local connection,etc. or just want to. Who wouldn't want to say they flew over the Super Bowl? Especially if it means they get free tickets and likely on-field passes? So, yes, the gas is already in the budget. There are typically no "landing fees" for military aircraft if they land at civilian fields. Dallas Cowboys/Dallas Super Bowl committee probably footed the bill for the hotels. Probably some food too. That is typical with these deals. Most local fans that see pilots in flight suits at the games do their part to provide liquid refreshment. It's a pretty win-win deal all around. Military guys get a good deal and get appreciated while not spending any money that isn't already budgeted.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Smokey (2h) : 60% chance of SNOW in GB on Sunday. Most likely to fall before noon .
Smokey (8-Dec) : JOIN THE FORUM AND POST YOUR VIEWS !
The_Green_Ninja (8-Dec) : ...bro his senior year turns into a different person drunk. Gets in fights. And one time trashed out a Pita Pit by throwing his food
The_Green_Ninja (8-Dec) : Fun fact from people I know who knew Dak Prescott when he was at Mississippi State...
Pack93z (7-Dec) : @Dhazer Winning the regular season title.... lol... good for a soggy cookie... see you in the playoffs.. ;)
Nonstopdrivel (7-Dec) : In any case, Rashaan Salaam died this week.
Nonstopdrivel (7-Dec) : Didn't there used to be a member who posted as Rashaan Salami?
Smokey (7-Dec) : REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR , 75 years ago today. God Bless America
Zero2Cool (7-Dec) : Today's Birthdays: Gilligan (46)
Smokey (7-Dec) : The TFFL could use 4 more like you Jon. Know any that wants to join next year ?
Smokey (7-Dec) : I am proud of you Jon .
Smokey (7-Dec) : Yes Jon, you can indeed be proud of your efforts . I am .
rabidgopher04 (7-Dec) : league behind you and the other guy.
rabidgopher04 (7-Dec) : @Smokey - tough competition for sure. I'm not holding my breath. Just glad I could rebound after a bad start. 3rd most points scored in the
Smokey (7-Dec) : You won what other league dhazer ?
Smokey (7-Dec) : for
Smokey (7-Dec) : Low blow dhazer, 5 min. in the penalty box foe slashing ! lol
Smokey (7-Dec) : Yes, fine job rabid. Now compete with the other 9 - 4 in the league . ;) LOL !
rabidgopher04 (7-Dec) : Correction: I am second seed in the playoffs
rabidgopher04 (7-Dec) : I crawled my way back from 2-6 to 7-6 to win my division and 3rd place in Tailgaters FFL. Playoff should be fun.
Zero2Cool (6-Dec) : ;-)
dhazer (6-Dec) : i clinched last place in the Packershome thanks to the awesome draft skills of smokey lol and won the other league
Zero2Cool (6-Dec) : Wow. Rashaan Salaam was found dead Monday night at a park in Boulder. Police said there was no sign of foul play. He was 42
Pack93z (6-Dec) : In one league I went from 2-5 to 8-5 and clinched a playoff spot... #Believe Best I have for the Packers at the moment.
Zero2Cool (6-Dec) : Sweet. I backed my sweet ass into the playoffs. 8th and final seed.
Smokey (6-Dec) : Thank you Zero, I also just finished the Reg. Fantasy season at #1 . (Tailgaters Fantasy Football League ) .
The_Green_Ninja (5-Dec) : Same ol' Jay xD
Zero2Cool (5-Dec) : Aaron Rodgers over the last 7 games: 302 passing yards/game, 19 TDs, 3 INTs, 104.6 passer rating. 212 rushing yards, TD.
Zero2Cool (5-Dec) : Nice! I noticed you rocked your NFL Picks this week too! Nice work!!
Smokey (5-Dec) : Yes, he got me 29 fantasy points !
Zero2Cool (5-Dec) : Didn't David Johnson have a really good game though?
DarkaneRules (4-Dec) : cardinals run game looks worse than ours
Zero2Cool (4-Dec) : Packers inactives v Texans: WR Trevor Davis CB Makinton Dorleant ILB Blake Martinez OLB Kyler Fackrell RG Lang C Tretter DT Christian Ringo
buckeyepackfan (4-Dec) : GOOD MORNING PACKER FANS! GAMEDAY! GO! PACK! GO!
Zero2Cool (2-Dec) : lol
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2016 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 3:25 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
5m / Fantasy Sports Talk / Smokey

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / hardrocker950

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

8-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / steveishere

7-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

7-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackFanWithTwins

7-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Dec / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

6-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey


Packers Headlines