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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:27:18 AM(UTC)
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[size=18]Super Bowl Flyover Cost Over $450,000 . . . Even Larger Flyover Planned For Turkey Bowl[/size]
Published 1, February 8, 2011

While watching the Super Bowl, I remarked to the kids on the curious concept of a flyover by Navy jets for a closed stadium where the fans watched on jumbo screens. My mirth turned to madness when I just saw on Reddit, however, that it cost the public $450,000. I am also pleased to announce the scheduled flyover (left) planned for this years Turley Turkey Bowl.

The Navy says the cost to bring the formation of four planes, plus a backup, to North Texas was over $450,000, based on the operational cost of the F-18 aircraft and the number of hours the pilots will fly. They came from Virginia Beach because the military decided it was better to take them from across the country rather than use the squadron of F-18 fighters at the Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth, less than 20 miles from the stadium.

The Navy insists that it is good for public relations . . . for the public to see that it is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time of economic stress to fly over a closed domed stadium.

It works for me. I have completed the DD 2253 (Request for Military Aerial Support) form below for my own military flyover for my annual Turley Thanksgiving Turkey Bowl with children in the neighborhood. This Redskins-Bears game is a public event with considerable following.

Unlike the Super Bowl, the Turley Turkey bowl is held in an open field ideal for our flyover.

The Turley Turkey Bowl organization released the following statement:

We are delighted by the opportunity to have a flyover added our annual game watched by dozens across this suburb. While we have a squadron of F-18s located less than a mile away at Langley, we would prefer planes from Europe to perform the flyover to capture the international spirit of this event.

Note to readers: following this blog entry, the Turley Turkey Bowl will be trademarked. However, you may continue to refer to it as the Big Game in McLean or simply The Event Formerly Known As The Turley Turkey Bowl.

Here is our form: DD2535-Aviation
Source: KHOU.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 4:08:19 AM(UTC)
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I think it would have been worth the aforementioned cost plus a couple low-yield bombs just to shut Christina Augulera up.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:09:14 AM(UTC)
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I don't mind the flyover. I do have to wonder why they need them if the dome is closed. But with that said I once stood outside Lambeau as the planes flew over. They popped over the edge of the bowl and screamed overhead. It was amazing. Let's say they were there for the 1000's who were outside instead of those that were inside. I wish they would have used the planes out of Ft Worth.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:09:45 AM(UTC)
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I think it would have been worth the aforementioned cost plus a couple low-yield bombs just to shut Christina Augulera up.


love it. I'll + you.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:47:57 PM(UTC)
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I blame Barack Obama.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:43:12 PM(UTC)
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I blame Barack Obama.


Tax and spend tax and spend.

I heard W pulled some strings and was actually able to ride on one of them for the flyover.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:51:47 PM(UTC)
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That $450,000 is a bit of a red herring. I'm sure that factors in cost for gas for the flight hours concerned. However, those are flight hours that they need to burn anyhow for training. Coming from Virginia, those pilots got training in out of area ops, probably satisfied some annual night hour requirements, and instrument flight time requirements. Furthermore, it is more difficult than you think to execute a perfect flyover where you come blasting over the stadium just as the singer finishes the last notes of "....the braaaaaaa-ve." It is a time-distance problem that is analogous to having a time on target for dropping ordnance. Except, here you don't have a hard clock time but have to adjust for the singer's timing.

Bottom Line: These pilots could have spent that $450K flying circles overhead their main field to get the same training. Or, they could use that money in conjunction with a highly publicized public affairs event such as the Super Bowl. Very high visibility event. Granted, the idea of flying over a closed dome is absurd to me but we'll blame that on Jerry Jones. As far as the Navy or Air Force are concerned, you never know what 10-yr old football fan sitting in the stadium is going to look up and decide that flying jets is for him (or her).
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:15:39 PM(UTC)
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I was told that the pilots go into a holding pattern of sorts near the stadium. They push on the peddle so to speak when they hear the singer gets to a certain point in the song.
When the singers ad-lib and hold notes for their own satisfaction the song takes longer than planned and the planes fly over too soon.

Along the lines of what you are saying istanbul, the line

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The Navy insists that it is good for public relations . . . for the public to see that it is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time of economic stress to fly over a closed domed stadium.


is so lame. It is not as if they are buying aviation fuel along the way. they are not stopping at the local diner and grabbing a bite to eat.
If they do land it is at a local base. they are most likely getting something to eat on base (hard to make reservations in Dallas doing the SB.) If they stay over night it will also be on base and not at one of the over priced hotel's in the area. There is nothing in the $450,000 that even remotely stimulates the economy. The $450,000 is already a part of the budget and does nothing more than what would happen if the flight did not occur or a crew took off from Ft Worth instead.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:23:35 PM(UTC)
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Lets see... 1200 seats x average cost of $800 (face value) = $960,000.00

Hmmm.. maybe the NFL figured they need two flyovers. ;)



[marq=right]Yes I know.. we the public spent the money.. [/marq]
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:05:19 AM(UTC)
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It is not as if they are buying aviation fuel along the way. they are not stopping at the local diner and grabbing a bite to eat.
If they do land it is at a local base. they are most likely getting something to eat on base (hard to make reservations in Dallas doing the SB.) If they stay over night it will also be on base and not at one of the over priced hotel's in the area. There is nothing in the $450,000 that even remotely stimulates the economy. The $450,000 is already a part of the budget and does nothing more than what would happen if the flight did not occur or a crew took off from Ft Worth instead.


You are on target here but I'll take it one step further. You are assuming that the Navy foots the bill for the whole thing. Most of these flyovers at airshows, parades, football games, etc are done on No Cost Orders by pilots who give up their weekend to do the event because they have a local connection,etc. or just want to. Who wouldn't want to say they flew over the Super Bowl? Especially if it means they get free tickets and likely on-field passes? So, yes, the gas is already in the budget. There are typically no "landing fees" for military aircraft if they land at civilian fields. Dallas Cowboys/Dallas Super Bowl committee probably footed the bill for the hotels. Probably some food too. That is typical with these deals. Most local fans that see pilots in flight suits at the games do their part to provide liquid refreshment. It's a pretty win-win deal all around. Military guys get a good deal and get appreciated while not spending any money that isn't already budgeted.
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#11 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 11:52:50 PM(UTC)
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On top of that it's a good advertisement for the Navy. $450,000 on a flyover or $3 million on a Super Bowl ad?
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