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Offline jdlax  
#21 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:14:58 PM(UTC)
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There has never before been, and never in the future will be, an elite running back besides Barry James Sanders.

Better aks someone, bitch.


There was no correlation between having Barry Sanders, and winning, so no, he is also not an elite running back.


I was just looking to have a little fun with Z2C .
Offline Greg C.  
#22 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:07:00 PM(UTC)
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So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:18:49 PM(UTC)
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So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.


If a Elway & the Broncos lose 3 before they get one, then win 2 after they get one, then he was irrelevant???

I am seriously having difficulty following the logic.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25:29 PM(UTC)
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As per RP, Broncos have to cheat to win the Super Bowl. Which fits into my argument that elite RBs are a waste of money.

My point is you have a salary cap (which the Broncos cheated to get around. Note that they lost draft picks because they were caught cheating, a la Belichick's spygate). You have limited funds. Spending on an elite RB is a waste of money because it doesn't matter who is back there.

I think my argument is looking better and better. Now I need to find a university that will give me a million dollars to research this and write a paper on it. Wade?
Offline Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:31:51 PM(UTC)
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I'm not following how the broncos cheated helped them win any super bowl. they cheated on Davis and elways contract.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:07:19 PM(UTC)
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As per RP, Broncos have to cheat to win the Super Bowl. Which fits into my argument that elite RBs are a waste of money.

My point is you have a salary cap (which the Broncos cheated to get around. Note that they lost draft picks because they were caught cheating, a la Belichick's spygate). You have limited funds. Spending on an elite RB is a waste of money because it doesn't matter who is back there.

I think my argument is looking better and better. Now I need to find a university that will give me a million dollars to research this and write a paper on it. Wade?


Whether legally or illegally acquired, they couldn't win one until they got the running game. I don't see the relevancy of the salary cap argument.

Matter of fact, I don't see the relevancy of the entire thread.

Zombie, it's obvious from your posts that you're smart enough to understand that QB > RB does not mean RB = 0, yet you persist in making those arguments for whatever reason.

In any event, I realize those statements don't follow, and borrowing from the title, this thread's a waste of time.
Offline Greg C.  
#27 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:51:08 PM(UTC)
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So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.


If a Elway & the Broncos lose 3 before they get one, then win 2 after they get one, then he was irrelevant???

I am seriously having difficulty following the logic.


No, I didn't mean to suggest that Davis was irrelevant. I see that you really don't like the word "irrelevant" in Zombie's original post. I was just agreeing with Zombie's point that in the NFL these days there's no correlation between having a big-time RB and being a successful team. Davis was very important to those Broncos teams, but twelve years is a long time in NFL terms. The league has become more pass-oriented since then.
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#28 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:22:53 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, you get what I'm saying Greg. I'm not saying running is irrelevant and RBs = 0. I'm saying there's no correlation between an elite RB and success. Big difference.

I even went as far as saying that elite RBs are a waste of money because with a salary cap, you can spend your money elsewhere that's more important.

You still need to run the ball, but it doesn't matter who's back there. The difference between the best RB in the NFL and a mediocre back is not that significant when it comes to the success of your football team.

That's my point.

I do think that when a RB asks for more money, you let him go.

Let me give real life examples. If you have the choice between Reggie White, Charles Woodson, Clay Matthews 3, and Barry Sanders, all in their prime, Sanders falls on the bottom of the list. An elite defender > an elite RB. Save your money. Spend it on D.

I'd rather have Dmitri Nance with the $450k we pay him than Barry Sanders who will probably make > $10 million in today's market.

Zero - I'm not ignoring you. Have that discussion with RP. He knows it 10 times better than I do.
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#29 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:46:55 AM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said:
I'm not saying running is irrelevant


Sorry, I must have misread your first post in this thread, where you said:

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rushing success is irrelevant
Offline Zero2Cool  
#30 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:58:06 AM(UTC)
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I'd rather have Dmitri Nance with the $450k we pay him than Barry Sanders who will probably make > $10 million in today's market.

Zero - I'm not ignoring you. Have that discussion with RP. He knows it 10 times better than I do.


First part, moron, sorry my bias trumps my tact on that one. I can count several ways Barry Sanders helps far more than Nance could dream of, even at 7 to 10 million a year.


Broncos, RP wouldn't know anything about it, which was proven by his comments on the subject already. I did some reading and they deferred $29 million dollars of payments to John Elway and Terrell Davis.

From the comments from the Packers on that Super Bowl, they weren't going to win. Two of the DL weren't giving it their all and the Packers weren't adjusting to Steve Atwaters blitzing well enough. Not to mention the last play of the Packers offense was a play they've never practiced (or ran) before.

Bronco's were the better team, regardless of what the salaries were for Elway and Davis. Hell, Davis had migraine issues and still ran over the Packers. Saying the Broncos cheated to win against the Packers or Falcons is just being a plain sore loser.
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