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jdlax  
#21 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:14:58 PM(UTC)
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There has never before been, and never in the future will be, an elite running back besides Barry James Sanders.

Better aks someone, bitch.


There was no correlation between having Barry Sanders, and winning, so no, he is also not an elite running back.


I was just looking to have a little fun with Z2C .
Greg C.  
#22 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:07:00 PM(UTC)
So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.
macbob  
#23 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:18:49 PM(UTC)
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So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.


If a Elway & the Broncos lose 3 before they get one, then win 2 after they get one, then he was irrelevant???

I am seriously having difficulty following the logic.
zombieslayer  
#24 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25:29 PM(UTC)
As per RP, Broncos have to cheat to win the Super Bowl. Which fits into my argument that elite RBs are a waste of money.

My point is you have a salary cap (which the Broncos cheated to get around. Note that they lost draft picks because they were caught cheating, a la Belichick's spygate). You have limited funds. Spending on an elite RB is a waste of money because it doesn't matter who is back there.

I think my argument is looking better and better. Now I need to find a university that will give me a million dollars to research this and write a paper on it. Wade?
Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:31:51 PM(UTC)
I'm not following how the broncos cheated helped them win any super bowl. they cheated on Davis and elways contract.
macbob  
#26 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:07:19 PM(UTC)
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As per RP, Broncos have to cheat to win the Super Bowl. Which fits into my argument that elite RBs are a waste of money.

My point is you have a salary cap (which the Broncos cheated to get around. Note that they lost draft picks because they were caught cheating, a la Belichick's spygate). You have limited funds. Spending on an elite RB is a waste of money because it doesn't matter who is back there.

I think my argument is looking better and better. Now I need to find a university that will give me a million dollars to research this and write a paper on it. Wade?


Whether legally or illegally acquired, they couldn't win one until they got the running game. I don't see the relevancy of the salary cap argument.

Matter of fact, I don't see the relevancy of the entire thread.

Zombie, it's obvious from your posts that you're smart enough to understand that QB > RB does not mean RB = 0, yet you persist in making those arguments for whatever reason.

In any event, I realize those statements don't follow, and borrowing from the title, this thread's a waste of time.
Greg C.  
#27 Posted : Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:51:08 PM(UTC)
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So we have to go all the way back to Terrell Davis 12 years ago to find an elite RB who won a Super Bowl. When you think of it that way, Zombie's argument is looking even better.


If a Elway & the Broncos lose 3 before they get one, then win 2 after they get one, then he was irrelevant???

I am seriously having difficulty following the logic.


No, I didn't mean to suggest that Davis was irrelevant. I see that you really don't like the word "irrelevant" in Zombie's original post. I was just agreeing with Zombie's point that in the NFL these days there's no correlation between having a big-time RB and being a successful team. Davis was very important to those Broncos teams, but twelve years is a long time in NFL terms. The league has become more pass-oriented since then.
zombieslayer  
#28 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:22:53 AM(UTC)
Yeah, you get what I'm saying Greg. I'm not saying running is irrelevant and RBs = 0. I'm saying there's no correlation between an elite RB and success. Big difference.

I even went as far as saying that elite RBs are a waste of money because with a salary cap, you can spend your money elsewhere that's more important.

You still need to run the ball, but it doesn't matter who's back there. The difference between the best RB in the NFL and a mediocre back is not that significant when it comes to the success of your football team.

That's my point.

I do think that when a RB asks for more money, you let him go.

Let me give real life examples. If you have the choice between Reggie White, Charles Woodson, Clay Matthews 3, and Barry Sanders, all in their prime, Sanders falls on the bottom of the list. An elite defender > an elite RB. Save your money. Spend it on D.

I'd rather have Dmitri Nance with the $450k we pay him than Barry Sanders who will probably make > $10 million in today's market.

Zero - I'm not ignoring you. Have that discussion with RP. He knows it 10 times better than I do.
macbob  
#29 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:46:55 AM(UTC)
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I'm not saying running is irrelevant


Sorry, I must have misread your first post in this thread, where you said:

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rushing success is irrelevant
Zero2Cool  
#30 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:58:06 AM(UTC)
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I'd rather have Dmitri Nance with the $450k we pay him than Barry Sanders who will probably make > $10 million in today's market.

Zero - I'm not ignoring you. Have that discussion with RP. He knows it 10 times better than I do.


First part, moron, sorry my bias trumps my tact on that one. I can count several ways Barry Sanders helps far more than Nance could dream of, even at 7 to 10 million a year.


Broncos, RP wouldn't know anything about it, which was proven by his comments on the subject already. I did some reading and they deferred $29 million dollars of payments to John Elway and Terrell Davis.

From the comments from the Packers on that Super Bowl, they weren't going to win. Two of the DL weren't giving it their all and the Packers weren't adjusting to Steve Atwaters blitzing well enough. Not to mention the last play of the Packers offense was a play they've never practiced (or ran) before.

Bronco's were the better team, regardless of what the salaries were for Elway and Davis. Hell, Davis had migraine issues and still ran over the Packers. Saying the Broncos cheated to win against the Packers or Falcons is just being a plain sore loser.
Dexter_Sinister  
#31 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 3:07:12 AM(UTC)
Rushing success doesn't equal rushing either.

Of course he was talking about success at an elite level. Which has proven to be a non factor. Specially if you look at recent trends.

Yes it was important 20 years ago. It isn't 20 years ago now though.

Were there any other changes in the Bronco's after they got Davis? If he was the only factor that changed including luck, who opponents are and they didn't change one bit, then people can say he was the reason they went from a super bowl team to a super bowl winning team. Otherwise it could easily be dismissed as coincidence. Statistically speaking.
Zero2Cool  
#32 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 6:41:31 AM(UTC)
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It isn't 20 years ago now though.


I do not believe this at all.
zombieslayer  
#33 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:30:51 PM(UTC)
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It isn't 20 years ago now though.


I do not believe this at all.


That's fine, then give us some facts to back this up.

Even though I disagree with Macbob and Pack93z on this issue, I have utmost respect for both of them for trying to prove their points with facts.

You only seem to reply with name calling.
doddpower  
#34 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 2:48:58 PM(UTC)
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You only seem to reply with name calling.



Zing! :whipitgood: :whipitgood:
DakotaT  
#35 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 6:41:34 PM(UTC)
Rember the time we held that whimp Barry Sanders to -1 rushing yards in a playoff game?

The Broncos should have been stripped of those titles because without cheating the cap system in place, they would not have been able to sign some of the veteran players necessary to win those championships. A third round pick and some cash was cheap for two Lombardis.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 8:45:29 PM(UTC)
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It isn't 20 years ago now though.


I do not believe this at all.


That's fine, then give us some facts to back this up.

Even though I disagree with Macbob and Pack93z on this issue, I have utmost respect for both of them for trying to prove their points with facts.

You only seem to reply with name calling.


How can you disagree that it's not 20 years ago? You want facts, look at a damn calendar!

Barry Sanders gets thrown under the bus, with comments ensuing it was done to rile me up, so I like normal, jokingly respond over the top in his defense and suddenly I'm accused of ONLY seeming to reply with name calling?

Wow, maybe I am too hard on myself and perhaps its not me who needs to lighten up after all.
Packers_Finland  
#37 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 9:08:52 PM(UTC)
I don't think zombie got your joke Zero.

And as for me baiting you, it's all in good fun as you surely know.
Zero2Cool  
#38 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 9:17:01 PM(UTC)
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I don't think zombie got your joke Zero.

And as for me baiting you, it's all in good fun as you surely know.


I was going to say maybe that's because zombies are dead inside, but there I go name calling again!


I figured it was in good fun as was my response. But whatever, like I've said many times, less posting by me, the site is better. Examples to support that abound! :)
DakotaT  
#39 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 9:39:33 PM(UTC)
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I don't think zombie got your joke Zero.

And as for me baiting you, it's all in good fun as you surely know.


I was going to say maybe that's because zombies are dead inside, but there I go name calling again!


I figured it was in good fun as was my response. But whatever, like I've said many times, less posting by me, the site is better. Examples to support that abound! :)


I think people enjoy fvcking with you just as much as me. I enjoy seeing you get riled up, but I'm demented.
Zero2Cool  
#40 Posted : Monday, March 14, 2011 10:08:34 PM(UTC)
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I think people enjoy fvcking with you just as much as me. I enjoy seeing you get riled up, but I'm demented.


And I'm perfectly fine with that, especially when it comes to Barry Sanders. I was just tying to tow the joking line, but guess I went to far.
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