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porky88  
#21 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:32:13 PM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
The Eagles weakness on D is the Safeties and LBs. If we can force them to play their base D, they will have one of their pro bowl corners on the bench.

I'm betting Asante Samuel is traded or released a few days from now.
beast  
#22 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:34:56 AM(UTC)
rabidgopher04 said: Go to Quoted Post
Reminds me of the Washington Redskins over the past 8-10 years. This is the kind of thing they would do with absolutely no success.


I disagree... the Redskins would give 2nd and 3rd tier talent but very hyped up players very top dollar, which was very stupid... it was like they didn't know football at all and were going solely on hype alone. (same with Raiders but they also factor in how fast you can run the 40 yard dash...)

The Eagles on the other hand are paying top dollar for top tier talent. Which is more likely to win games.
Rockmolder  
#23 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 3:07:51 AM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I disagree... the Redskins would give 2nd and 3rd tier talent but very hyped up players very top dollar, which was very stupid... it was like they didn't know football at all and were going solely on hype alone. (same with Raiders but they also factor in how fast you can run the 40 yard dash...)

The Eagles on the other hand are paying top dollar for top tier talent. Which is more likely to win games.


And, next to that, they're not OVERpaying... Something the Redskins and Raiders always do. I mean, the Nnamdi contract was a very fair one... The Jenkins contract was on the cheap side, looking at how skilled he is, because of his age and injury history.
bozz_2006  
#24 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:13:35 AM(UTC)
Well, I suppose that's the nice thing about football. The Packers can't control what anybody else does, only what they do. Take care of business. Prepare for the opponent. Win your individual matchps. Teamwork. Win.
GoPack1984  
#25 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:19:16 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
And, next to that, they're not OVERpaying... Something the Redskins and Raiders always do. I mean, the Nnamdi contract was a very fair one... The Jenkins contract was on the cheap side, looking at how skilled he is, because of his age and injury history.


I guess Ted has a lot of confidence in Mike Neal. From what I saw last year, I'm very excited to see him play. I still personally would have made an offer to retain Jenkins given he didn't sign for big money. Ted has been more right than wrong though when it comes to these things, so I'll trust him on this. I'm just very peeved to see Jenkins sign with the Eagles.
Zero2Cool  
#26 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:22:23 AM(UTC)
GoPack1984 said: Go to Quoted Post
I guess Ted has a lot of confidence in Mike Neal. From what I saw last year, I'm very excited to see him play. I still personally would have made an offer to retain Jenkins given he didn't sign for big money. Ted has been more right than wrong though when it comes to these things, so I'll trust him on this. I'm just very peeved to see Jenkins sign with the Eagles.


It was only the first practice, but C.J. Wilson started instead of Mike Neal.
dfosterf  
#27 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:07:13 AM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm betting Asante Samuel is traded or released a few days from now.



I never understood why they got Asante in the first place. He's always been a zone-type defender, and Philly plays (essentialy) our old 4-3 with man coverage on the outside. My explanation (in my own mind) is that they were so bad in the DB department that they practically HAD to get him at the time.

blueleopard  
#28 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:19:53 PM(UTC)
You guys are forgetting that unlike Washington, the Eagles' coaching staff isn't that bad.

Andy Reid is still there and the guy is a gamer. He coached his team to the three straight NFC Championships with a lot less on his plate. Don't forget he was on our championship staff in 96. He knows what he's doing.

They're primed to make a run now. Zero mentioned Jermichael Finley. Ummm... when we went against Philly last year Finley was pretty much rendered useless.

Do I think they're better than us? No. Are they more of a threat? Yes.
Zero2Cool  
#29 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 7:11:25 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
You guys are forgetting that unlike Washington, the Eagles' coaching staff isn't that bad.

Andy Reid is still there and the guy is a gamer. He coached his team to the three straight NFC Championships with a lot less on his plate. Don't forget he was on our championship staff in 96. He knows what he's doing.

They're primed to make a run now. Zero mentioned Jermichael Finley. Ummm... when we went against Philly last year Finley was pretty much rendered useless.

Do I think they're better than us? No. Are they more of a threat? Yes.


Ummm, it was the first game of the season and rarely do any teams come out of the gate on all cylinders.

But yes, you are correct, Jermichael Finley's 4 catches for 47 yards were useless in a 7 point win.


I think we're really overstating the value of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. I think Nnamdi Asomugha and Asante Samuel are studs, but I think Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie has a high ceiling, I just don't think he's a top tier CB. The Eagles thought they were out of the Nnamdi Asomugha running when they pulled the trigger for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie so that makes me wonder about Asante Samuel now.

If they keep all three, that's a stellar secondary, no question, but I believe they will be shipping Asante Samuel and he's the one I worry most about of those three. That's not a knock on Nnamdi Asomugha, I just haven't seen him play.

Jim Johnson was the key to the Eagles defensive success and sadly he passed away over a year ago. He's not replaceable, especially by a former offensive line coach. I am not saying it's not possible, just simply saying I feel these ego's on the Eagles roster are going to prefer doing their own thing, rather than stay on the same page. Each of their big signings (except Nnamdi Asomugha) can be let go after year one with no cap penalty. That means each of those players is going to want to prove their worth. Which means it could go one of two ways. They could stay on the same page to prove their worth more, or they could stray into doing what they feel is best. I think that'll be key.


I'm very confident the Packers will finish farther than the Eagles this year.



Edit, I also agree that Andy Reid is a fantastic coach. I'd say he's easily top five, but I really can't think of 4 that are better than him.
dhazer  
#30 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 7:38:26 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Why? Maybe I'm over confident, but I don't think they have anyone who can cover Jermichael Finley (assuming he lasts to the post season) and Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson ... plus this Randall Cobb kid might be good and I didn't even mention Donald Driver.

Throw in Ryan Grant and James Starks (assuming both last to the post season) I just don't see how a team could beat the Packers, unless Aaron Rodgers is out.


I'm putting my money on the following ..
Aaron Rodgers
Ryan Grant
James Starks
Greg Jennings covered by Samuel
Jordy Nelson (who couldn't be stopped by the Steelers only in the most important game of the season)covered by Rodgers-Cromartie
Jermichael Finleycovered by Asomugha Just like the Packers do with Woodson


They just added some excellent talent, yes. How do you think those ego's are going to fit with the Eagles new defensive coordinator who spent the last 13 years as an offensive line coach? I think it's going to take them a little bit to get on the same page.




I think they will be a very big threat if Vick plays like he did last year. I say the Eagles then the Packers followed by the Cowgirls have to be the favs in the NFC.
Zero2Cool  
#31 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 7:43:15 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
I think they will be a very big threat if Vick plays like he did last year. I say the Eagles then the Packers followed by the Cowgirls have to be the favs in the NFC.

Cool, I disagree, strongly. The Eagles didn't even win a playoff game. Much like the Packers the year prior to being called the 'favorite'. I didn't care for that then either. I feel the champion is the favorite until knocked off.

I think the Falcons and Eagles are the biggest threats to the Packers. In that order. Cowboys won't make the playoffs this season.

I believe both Michael Vick and DeSean Jackson are huge for their offense. Vick will not have a magical yaer like he did in '10. You heard it here first and you'll see exactly what I mean between weeks 6 and 14 this coming season.
blueleopard  
#32 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 7:54:30 AM(UTC)
LOL. I wouldn't even put Dallas in the discussion. Call me crazy but I'd rank Detroit over Dallas.
Zero2Cool  
#33 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 8:14:25 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
LOL. I wouldn't even put Dallas in the discussion. Call me crazy but I'd rank Detroit over Dallas.


Yeah, I'm not sure how he got Dallas in there.

I think the top four in the NFC are...

Packers
Falcons
Eagles
Saints


I know the Bears got to the NFC championship game, but I don't feel comfortable that they'll make the playoffs this season. I think it'll be Packers 1st then Lions 2nd in the NFC North.

Cheesey  
#34 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 8:19:23 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
LOL. I wouldn't even put Dallas in the discussion. Call me crazy but I'd rank Detroit over Dallas.

OK...i will.....YOU ARE CRAZY!!!
But besides that, i think you are right! I'm more afraid of Detroit too. They seemed so close last season, to a HUGE breakout. (It feels weird saying i fear Detroit)
As far as the Eagles, who can blame them? If they want to make a run, and feel this is their chance, that's what they need to do.

As i see it though, all these high paid guys will probably feel like they can slide now that they got the "big money".

Plus, we will be getting alot of our players back from injuries suffered last year, which i think will improve us even more.
It should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Pack93z  
#35 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 8:26:10 AM(UTC)
The Eagles.. no team irritates me.. it is there job to build the best club they can in the best fashion they can. If they feel going out and signing some top notch free agents and go for broke.. so be it.

But a couple of things don't change.


  1. They still have depth issues, especially at tackle, along the offensive line.
  2. They still have a QB that is talented as the day is long, but also takes a ton of chances with is body. That may leave Vince Young playing extended periods, depends on the Vince Young they get, plugged in or the recluse one.
  3. IMO, the Eagles are still going to be weak through the center of their defense.
  4. Many people talk about DeSean Jackson being this "elite" receiver.. if you look at his numbers he is all or nothing player that is a liability over the middle of the field. IMO, Maclin is the better receiver, but I think they lack depth, quality depth, past those two.


My point.. is all teams will have flaws, we have flaws on our team.. and that isn't going to change with a couple of free agents. The Packers job is to find the flaws, expose them and then manipulate them to our advantage.
Greg C.  
#36 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 8:55:26 AM(UTC)
It's pretty impressive for the Eagles to bring in three top-notch defensive players within a couple days of each other. Maybe this could take their defense to the next level. I don't buy the argument that there will be ego problems, because I haven't known any of these players to be ego guys. The defensive coaching issue may be a concern, though. I think these bold moves by the Eagles will make this a more exciting season for the entire NFC. I'm already looking forward to the season even more than I was before, to see how this plays out. The Falcons and Saints made big trades in the first round of the draft, and that will make things more interesting as well.
Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 9:08:58 AM(UTC)
When I mentioned ego's, I never once said any of the players were 'ego' guys. That's taking what I said far out of context.
GoPack1984  
#38 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 2:09:51 PM(UTC)
I see the Bucs being a threat in the NFC. They might be better than the Falcons. I've seen a lot of preliminary "rankings" of the top 5 or 10 teams in the NFL, and the number of people who include the Cowboys is ridiculous. They need new CBs in a bad way. I see the Lions potentially being good, maybe better than the Bears.

Top 5 in NFC
Packers
Eagles
Buccaneers
Falcons
Saints
Greg C.  
#39 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 2:31:39 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
When I mentioned ego's, I never once said any of the players were 'ego' guys. That's taking what I said far out of context.


So who were you referring to when you mentioned "all of these egos on the Eagles roster"?
Zero2Cool  
#40 Posted : Monday, August 1, 2011 2:55:10 PM(UTC)
The Buccaneers, very true, they are a threat as well. I'm liking Josh Freeman, seems like a good QB.


Greg C. said: Go to Quoted Post
So who were you referring to when you mentioned "all of these egos on the Eagles roster"?


I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to the new acquisitions. I never said any of them were ego guys, but there's no denying they have ego's as do most players in any professional sport. It's how they mesh together under their new defensive coordinator who spent a dozen or so years as an offensive line coach that will play key to their success.

I've already outlined this "theory" of mine in an earlier post and am too lazy to find it in this thread, lol.
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