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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 2:20:02 PM(UTC)
[duh] I know, I know ... I apologize, but the concept of posting snippets (or portions) of material from another site is being abolished effective immediately. If anyone posts content from another site, the post will be deleted and the offending member will receive a Private Message informing them their post was deleted.

A good deal of time was spent debating what to do and what was best for PackersHome. Eliminating off site material and encouraging members to provide input an opinions in their own words is the conclusion. It is evident the best discussions snowball from members own opinions and not that of material that was snipped and linked. The off site material clutters the board and buries good PackersHome homegrown material.

You might be thinking, "What if I find a great article that others should be aware of?". First, great question, second, we do exactly as Shawn has done in the quote below. He found an inspiring article that sparked words to flow from his keyboard and linked to the article of said inspiration.


Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Albeit some might not agree with the notion that those in the armed forces or patriotism as a whole warrants special consideration, the NFL took the proper steps in allowing players to wear this nations colors in the peripheral attire in recognition of the ten year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Of course there is branding issues (sponsorship and endorsement related) rules to followed (money being the primary concern in this culture of greed), I think the NFL did the correct thing in general by allowing some flex in the rules for the occasion.

IMO, it is the least the sport can do is to allow the players to have some personal influence on how they wish to support the anniversary via their attire.

Chris Gizzi running out onto the field at Lambeau with the flag in tow is a burnt in memory.. maybe a new one is formed via freedom in expression from the current players.


In rare instances there is off site material that must be shared and shared in entirety, send a Private Message to Pack93z or Zero2Cool with a link to the off site content. If either agrees, they will make the necessary post crediting whomever made the off site material discovery.


We're confident this will procure many more solid an intriguing discussions and keep the ignorant editors that don't understand how the internet works, off of my ass! It's a win for PackersHome and a win for PackersHome!

Everyone's understanding and full cooperation is greatly appreciated.
Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 2:33:41 PM(UTC)
I am going to through it here for reference more so.. but what about images hosted on other sites. IE Hot-linking the images in?
Zero2Cool  
#3 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 2:36:02 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I am going to through it here for reference more so.. but what about images hosted on other sites. IE Hot-linking the images in?


Images are fine. I'll be developing a module that will eliminate the need for hot linking images.
gbguy20  
#4 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 6:19:04 PM(UTC)
Really takes away from the site in my opinion. I come here because I like the idea of being able to come across good packer articles from a variety of sources while at the same time being immersed in discussion. If I found a good article with good quotes in it that I would like to share I don't see why it should be such a process in order to share it. Having to paraphrase an article into my own words seems like a waste of time, since it is already written, and written much better than I could do it. I don't know about anyone else but my writing is awful compared to that of the writers.


Just my 2 cents. Don't know if it is wanted or not but I felt like sharing it. Feel free to delete this.
Zero2Cool  
#5 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 8:45:32 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Really takes away from the site in my opinion. I come here because I like the idea of being able to come across good packer articles from a variety of sources while at the same time being immersed in discussion. If I found a good article with good quotes in it that I would like to share I don't see why it should be such a process in order to share it. Having to paraphrase an article into my own words seems like a waste of time, since it is already written, and written much better than I could do it. I don't know about anyone else but my writing is awful compared to that of the writers.


Just my 2 cents. Don't know if it is wanted or not but I felt like sharing it. Feel free to delete this.


Of course feedback and input is appreciated. I understand and respect what you are saying.

Do you know you just did exactly what's being asked? You took my post, wrote your opinion on the subject I covered and put it in your own words. Smile


Professional writers and editors are naive on the benefits of their material spread wide on the internet. It's not their responsibility to understand. What they fail to understand is, when their material is spread around, it is seen by MORE eyes and gives them MORE ad revenue click opportunities.

Where I agree with them is when they see 60% - 70% of their material being posted on one site, which is what was going on. That's eliminating the readers temptation to hit the sources site, because as you said, you can just go to one site to get access to all articles.


I know this concept change won't be popular. Please respect me not wanting to be popular to writers and editors via email and threats to shut PackersHome down. There's been a LOT of time and sacrifice to build this site and to maintain it.


You mentioned when you come across an article that you like, it's too much effort to write a summary of the article in your own words. Then the article wasn't that good, in my opinion.


You also mentioned that you're not as talented of a writer as those who are professional writers. Who gives a damn? When you read an article and come across something interesting, come to PackersHome, start a thread to spark a discussion on it. We're here to DISCUSS the Packers, not criticize ones writing. Sure, Rourke bitches about others writing, but he bitches about everything. Who cares?

I promise you, no one in their right mind is going to say "Damn, I have several things I want to respond, but this guy wrote an article with poor flow so .. .screw it!".


What I'm saying is, no one expects Pulitzer prize material when they come to PackersHome, they come for intelligent outside of the box thinking and discussions. I firmly believe everyone here can contribute to this direction.
beast  
#6 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2011 10:48:37 PM(UTC)
And what happens if we quote something short.. have it linked.. and don't tell you guys?

You're gonna be upset and delete it? ...

I think people should be allowed to quote some small portions... and if some small portions sum it up then they shouldn't have to add more.

I understand you don't want mean emails from writers... but they should be fine with us quoting a small portion and linking it. Of course how you define small could be interesting...

I guess what I'm saying is i don't mind the rule as long as it's not strictly enforced, unless people are posting most part of articles or something... and give warning for the people that don't know.

So the new linking deal will ask us to make post like this?


Quote:
The good news is he's not out for the season, after getting injured in the season opener, but the bad news is he's out for at least four weeks (maybe more) with a broken collarbone

Pack93z  
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:59:14 AM(UTC)
On the top header bar there is a Packers News block, it is a collection of RS type feeds... I know it is not the same as many threads.. but it does provide a summary of current articles.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:17:21 AM(UTC)
Damn, Rourke had a nice long post that I wanted to respond to. I had to revert to the backup version of the database because the upgrade failed. Sorry Rourke.
Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56:34 AM(UTC)
Most respectful journalists simply want their work sourced.
Peter King said:
Horsecrap Journalism of the Week Award: To FOX, for taking my quote from Tony Dungy about Lee Roy Selmon and putting it on the screen of the Lions-Bucs telecast without sourcing.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated...index.html#ixzz1XkZRs2eX
macbob  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:00:01 PM(UTC)
Is YouTube out?

edit:

And can we link to the Packers Weekly Dope Sheet, that is made available on Packers.com for download?
Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:07:07 PM(UTC)
macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
Is YouTube out?

edit:

And can we link to the Packers Weekly Dope Sheet, that is made available on Packers.com for download?


Post it in the gameday thread and I'll edit the original post. :)
macbob  
#12 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:26:05 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Post it in the gameday thread and I'll edit the original post. :)


Z2C-Thanks for Dope Sheet link. Wasn't necessary to list me--I enjoy them and just wanted to pass it on to those who might not have been aware the media guides existed.

Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:39:53 AM(UTC)
macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
Z2C-Thanks for Dope Sheet link. Wasn't necessary to list me--I enjoy them and just wanted to pass it on to those who might not have been aware the media guides existed.


I like to give credit where credit is due. Thanks for the find.
Zero2Cool  
#14 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:27:58 PM(UTC)
Apparently we need bump this for some folks to read. Thank you for your cooperation.
Nonstopdrivel  
#15 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:34:17 PM(UTC)
We can't even quote individual paragraphs anymore? I make longer quotations than that in term papers!

Good to know, I guess.
Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:45:21 PM(UTC)
Nonstopdrivel said: Go to Quoted Post
We can't even quote individual paragraphs anymore? I make longer quotations than that in term papers!

Good to know, I guess.


If it's not YOUR words, no sir. You can write up your own words and link to an article as described above. I'm through dealing with ignorant editors and authors. It's not worth the hassle.
longtimefan  
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:02:29 PM(UTC)
We cant even take one sentence out of a 2 page article? I thought it was don't post the entire article?
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2011 2:27:02 PM(UTC)
Unfortunately my other post to this was deleted with having to revert to an old copy of the database. I had a nice little rant about how ignorant sports editors are about their material being spread further across the interGoogle. I can't help wonder if they spent more time actually editing the material prior to being posted on their precious ad driven websites, maybe they wouldn't be so insecure?

All that's being asked is you write up a few lines leading into the main subject of the linked content. You can copy/paste quotes because those are the words of the person are not owned by the linked source. It's really not asking a whole lot and gives the board something to discuss. A brief opinion on a subject actually furthers discussion more than an entire linked material. I believe this because it gives more room for others to interject their own opinion and expand the discussion.

I believe Formo mentioned PurplePride.org went through something similar.
Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:58:31 PM(UTC)
A little reminder, again.

Do NOT make a post with NOTHING but a link. That is SPAM. Do NOT do that. If you want to share a link, by all means, do so, but for the love of Aaron, ADD your thoughts at the very least!

If you make a post with nothing but a LINK, there is a good chance the post will be deleted.
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