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Offline nerdmann  
#126 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 11:54:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
Jeff Saturday has a meeting set up with the Packers...Speculation though is that he will follow Manning to Denver so we'll see.


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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#127 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:09:39 PM(UTC)
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While my opinion is not as "foil bonnet" as Nerds, I think the passing of Irv also had a big part in it. With no accountability between his passing and the time Thompson showed up, Favre was surrounded by enablers. Losing that angered Favre greatly. Nobody tells him no or they will have to pay. Which is why he tanked the '05 season.

When Favre said "don't fire Sherman or I will quit", and they did, he kind of lost it. He pushed Thompson to get Moss, who Favre really didn't care about, because he wanted an issue to walk out over. He actually left Green Bay, went back to Mississippi and told Cook to arrange the deal. Thompson refused to even discuss it. McCarthey had to go talk Favre down and ask him to come back. Favre did, but he still tanked the '06 season.

Having his "buddies" get hired in MN he probably figured he could go back to doing whatever he wanted to in Minnesota. Knowing that Thompson would never let him do that, Favre probably went to Chilly for advice. Between them and Cook, they hatched the escape plan. My reason for including Chilly is that Favre had a "change of attitude" where he worked really hard to have a good season. If he had the third consecutive season with a 70 rating, Chilly probably wouldn't be able to convince the Vikings to pick him up. Providing he could get out of his contract. Because he would appear washed up.

Having Thompson foil his plans by getting the exemption from the league was the last straw. Which is why Favre had to run to the Lions and "other teams" and decode his playbook for them. My guess is that it was Minnesota, because they were admittedly in talks with Favre at the time, and Chicago. Because that is where Favre would do the most damage. Nobody tells Favre what to do or he will make them pay.

Which is why Favre actually played fairly well in '09. He was so mad that he did all the things that the Packers told him to do when he rebelled.

I don't know if Favre threw the pick against the Giants in the NFCCG on purpose. He proved his point, he was cold and disinterested in the game. They were keeping it close in spite of Favre's disinterest. Favre could have just wanted to get it over with. So he floated up a duck to end the game. I don't know. But I wouldn't put it past him.

With a borderline personality disorder, Favre wouldn't need a lot of reason to want punish the Packers, Rodgers and Green Bay in general. Just saying no to him would have amounted to a life threatening insult. He would see sabotaging as an appropriate level of response for having been denied anything he wanted.

Nobody says no to him, that is just unthinkable. So he doesn't have an appropriate response to it. Whether it is the Packers or a married therapist he wanted to nail. He just doesn't understand when someone says no.

That "no" is all that was needed to set him on that path of distruction.
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#128 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:11:46 PM(UTC)
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Free agency: The idiotic part.
This is possibly the most over-covered week of anything we do in writing about the league, this first week of free agency. I knew it had gotten totally out of control on Saturday when Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News tweeted: "Amazingly, I'm sensing angst among some Giants fans again about Jerry Reese's lack of offseason action.''

Reese is the general manager of the New York Giants. He has had the job five years. He is notoriously slow off the draw in free agency, and he is not alone. In recent years, noted GMs and personnel czars like Ted Thompson (Green Bay), Mickey Loomis (New Orleans), Kevin Colbert (Pittsburgh) and Bill Polian (Indianapolis) have let the free agency field settle down before going after players of moderate cost. In the last six seasons, those franchise architects -- Reese, Thompson, Loomis, Colbert, Polian -- have won every Super Bowl. Not saying the patient way is the only way to team-build, but come on. Reese did nothing big in 2007 and 2011 and won the Super Bowl both times.

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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#129 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:12:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Are you saying that the notion of him deliberately throwing those interceptions is far fetched? Have you SEEN some of these interceptions? Do you think he purposely laid down for Strahan? Do you think he engages in questionable behavior off the field?

I wasn't saying anything of the sort (though I do tend to take a dim view of conspiracy theories). I simply wasn't addressing that topic at all.

My point was that while Favre was still in Green Bay, and I was ranting and railing and cursing and caviling about Favre's fuck-ups and foibles, I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness. Then after Favre committed the apparently unforgivable and went to Minnesota, suddenly the venom spewed forth from his erstwhile fans. That is what has surprised me. If people felt like that about him before he left, they weren't very vocal about it -- or at least I never noticed.

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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#130 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:17:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
I wasn't saying anything of the sort (though I do tend to take a dim view of conspiracy theories). I simply wasn't addressing that topic at all.

My point was that while Favre was still in Green Bay, and I was ranting and railing and cursing and caviling about Favre's fuck-ups and foibles, I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness. Then after Favre committed the apparently unforgivable and went to Minnesota, suddenly the venom spewed forth from his erstwhile fans. That is what has surprised me. If people felt like that about him while before he left, they weren't very vocal about it -- or at least I never noticed.


I was on Thompson and the Packers side when Favre tried to force his way back on the team.

I wasn't as against Favre when he retired, but when he came back, I was done. Then I looked into it farther and found a lot of material that I built a theory off of.

By the time he went to Minnesota, it was beside the point.
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Offline Yerko  
#131 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:22:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If there's one guy who can move around, it's Lang.


I'm not debating that he can't be moved around but holy crap, can we get some consistency with the offensive line? TJ Lang would be a MUCH BETTER (yes, he is good) lineman if he hasn't been moved so many times. Let him establish himself at one spot.

I trust Ted Thompson, like the majority here. Moving players along the offensive line though bugs me a bit more, whether the guy can play the position or not.

Lang can play center, fine. Who takes over at guard then?
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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#132 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 12:28:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: G-Force Go to Quoted Post
I'm not debating that he can't be moved around but holy crap, can we get some consistency with the offensive line? TJ Lang would be a MUCH BETTER (yes, he is good) lineman if he hasn't been moved so many times. Let him establish himself at one spot.

I trust Ted Thompson, like the majority here. Moving players along the offensive line though bugs me a bit more, whether the guy can play the position or not.

Lang can play center, fine. Who takes over at guard then?


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Offline Wade  
#133 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 1:10:12 PM(UTC)
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Offline Rios39  
#134 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 1:16:06 PM(UTC)
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The problem is right now we are in need of a center to replace what already was a decent strenght so we need to do that and then improve the garbage D Line with some serviceable starters. Last year we had 2 NFL quality starting DL and only ONE with the ability to get any sort of pass rush and that was our NT.

So, adding a center there is a huge priority but we also need to be aggressive with some of these DL's. Can't fix everything through a draft.
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Offline DakotaT  
#135 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 7:45:55 PM(UTC)
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The Dolphins just realeased SS Yeremiah Bell. Any interest?
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Offline DakotaT  
#136 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 7:48:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
I wasn't saying anything of the sort (though I do tend to take a dim view of conspiracy theories). I simply wasn't addressing that topic at all.

My point was that while Favre was still in Green Bay, and I was ranting and railing and cursing and caviling about Favre's fuck-ups and foibles, I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness. Then after Favre committed the apparently unforgivable and went to Minnesota, suddenly the venom spewed forth from his erstwhile fans. That is what has surprised me. If people felt like that about him before he left, they weren't very vocal about it -- or at least I never noticed.


Yeah, Yeah, Yeah you have supposed big nads. I'm still pissed at the 4th and 26 game in Philly. That interception in OT was absolutely atrocious.

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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#137 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 8:16:27 PM(UTC)
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Wow did I miss something? The title of this thread is free agents.

What the hell did Ted do?

Contact Brett about coming back and playing?

He must have since we are talking free agents here.

Damn I sure hope those 2 can finally put aside their differences, because without a solid O-line, it's only a matter of time that The Packers are gonna need someone to fill in for Arron Rodgers.

Good job Ted, can't believe you actually did this, but it must be true, since once again Brett Favre talk is dominating this forum.

CAN'T WAIT FOR BRETT TO COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Offline GoPack1984  
#138 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 8:26:13 PM(UTC)
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I heard via Twitter that Jeff Saturday was seen leaving Lambeau with Ted Thompson this evening around 7:30.

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Per @NELONG27 Jeff Saturday seen leaving #Lambeau with Ted Thompson around 7:30 tonight #Packers
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Offline DakotaT  
#139 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 8:48:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Wow did I miss something? The title of this thread is free agents.

What the hell did Ted do?

Contact Brett about coming back and playing?

He must have since we are talking free agents here.

Damn I sure hope those 2 can finally put aside their differences, because without a solid O-line, it's only a matter of time that The Packers are gonna need someone to fill in for Arron Rodgers.

Good job Ted, can't believe you actually did this, but it must be true, since once again Brett Favre talk is dominating this forum.

CAN'T WAIT FOR BRETT TO COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!




Maybe they'll do the Favre ring of honor thing for you this year Buckeye.


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#140 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2012 9:47:34 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah you have supposed big nads.

Just speaking from personal experience. Bear in mind, I wasn't a member of a Packers forum at the time. Whistle
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Offline PackerTraxx  
#141 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:21:27 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah you have supposed big nads. I'm still pissed at the 4th and 26 game in Philly. That interception in OT was absolutely atrocious.



Getting a first down on 4th and 26 was even more atrocious.
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#142 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:34:39 AM(UTC)
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Getting a first down on 4th and 26 was even more atrocious.

I'm confused.
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#143 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:05:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
I'm confused.


Letting Philadephia get a first down on 4th and 26 was more atrocious than Favre throwing the interception in my mind.
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#144 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:10:58 AM(UTC)
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Over 200 yards on the ground on O, 7 sacks and a couple turnovers on D.

If Favre had done ANYTHING in that game, 4th and 26 wouldn't have mattered. He sucked the whole game and choked up an epic pick.

1 freaking yard and he runs out the clock so McNabb doesn't even touch the ball again.
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#145 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:37:33 AM(UTC)
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Completing 15 of 28 for 180 yards with 2 TD's and only 1 INT was not lackluster, it was boobielicious!
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#146 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:11:19 AM(UTC)
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#147 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:31:19 AM(UTC)
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The golden boy of pass rushers left on the market in Wimbley has signed with the Titans.

Didn't fit into the cap plans here anyway... that is without cuts or reworks of contracts.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#148 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:04:41 AM(UTC)
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Letting Philadephia get a first down on 4th and 26 was more atrocious than Favre throwing the interception in my mind.

Sorry, somehow I misread your post. While I agree it was pretty disgusting, the defense pretty much held up its end of the bargain that game. As many times as they sacked McNabb, the game shouldn't have even been close.
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#149 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:11:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel Go to Quoted Post
Sorry, somehow I misread your post. While I agree it was pretty disgusting, the defense pretty much held up its end of the bargain that game. As many times as they sacked McNabb, the game shouldn't have even been close.



There were many points in that game that failed us.. Sherman's chickshit call not to go for it with that running game on 4th and a 1.

One play didn't lose the game.. it was definitely a collection of calls and errors. Worst part.. Ed Donatell got the brunt of others mistakes. Yes... Mikey and Brett.. some of that falls on your shoulders.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane here..

I wonder if Todd "The Toothpick" Pinkston is still available as a free agent. That is just about as random as bring this conversation into the free agent thread.. yes I am guilty as charged as well. ;)


I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#150 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:26:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
There were many points in that game that failed us.. Sherman's chickshit call not to go for it with that running game on 4th and a 1.

One play didn't lose the game.. it was definitely a collection of calls and errors. Worst part.. Ed Donatell got the brunt of others mistakes. Yes... Mikey and Brett.. some of that falls on your shoulders.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane here..

I wonder if Todd "The Toothpick" Pinkston is still available as a free agent. That is just about as random as bring this conversation into the free agent thread.. yes I am guilty as charged as well. ;)




Even before 4th and 26th happened, NOT going for it on 4th and 1 from their 40 yard line with not one, not two, but THREE RBs who averaged 5.0+ ypc. WTF? I knew when we punted that the Football Gods would be angry with us and we'd lose that game. I knew they'd complete the 4th and 26th for a first down.

Once you anger the Football Gods, your season is over. It doesn't matter what you do.

Morale of the story - don't be a pussy. It angers the Football Gods. I love Sherman as a human being but that day, I loathed him as a coach.



On another note, notice that Mike McCarthy would rather err on the side of aggression? Some people think that's a bad thing but I say they couldn't be more wrong.
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