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Offline zombieslayer  
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:27:09 PM(UTC)
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Yes, Warren Moon had a good deep ball too. But there is so much Favre hatred that they conveniently forget how good of a deep ball Favre had. Let's not forget that 2007, when Tom Brady had one of the best QB stat years ever, Favre completed more 40+ yard passes, including some nice game winners.

And yes, Favre had issues and had the tendency to throw it up and pray. If you discount those and count the ones when he actually kept his head, I don't think he's touchable. If you count the ones where he threw it up and prayed, then yes, you have a very strong argument that Favre's deep ball was overrated.

Lynn Dickey had a pretty nice deep ball too, but that's with another asterisk - he was throwing to James Lofton who was one of the best deep ball receivers in our lifetime (Randy Moss is the 00s version of James Lofton and had better numbers but that was after the NFL rule changes that enabled receivers to get away with stuff they couldn't get away with in the 70s and 80s).

I don't see myself as a Favre homer. I'm a huge Favre fan. But not a homer. He had mental issues that kept him from being as good as people like Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Aaron Rodgers. It's a shame too, because with his God given abilities, he should have been the best QB of the Super Bowl era. But he's a mental case and was always shooting himself (and the team) in the foot.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:10:09 PM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Yes, Warren Moon had a good deep ball too. But there is so much Favre hatred that they conveniently forget how good of a deep ball Favre had. Let's not forget that 2007, when Tom Brady had one of the best QB stat years ever, Favre completed more 40+ yard passes, including some nice game winners.


Let's not insult others by assuming hatred to mask our own bias, nor forget what team racked up the most yards after catch during the 2007 season in which Brett Favre had one more 40+ pass completion than Tom Brady. I'd like to point out that the questions posed in the original post were encompassing more than a single season. That's my fault, but I've updated the original post adding more clarity. :)

Regarding Brett Favre, great leader, could throw it a mile, threw it harder than anyone and his forte was rocketing a ball into a tiny window far more than it was throwing the ball (in the air) 40+ yards hitting a guy in stride.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:35:17 PM(UTC)
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No, he also hit guys in long patterns pretty accurately. It wasn't just catch and runs.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:47:45 PM(UTC)
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No, he also hit guys in long patterns pretty accurately. It wasn't just catch and runs.


Very true.
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I seem to recall Dan Fouts having a pretty quick release.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:49:05 AM(UTC)
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I seem to recall Dan Fouts having a pretty quick release.


He did. Not knocking Fouts, he was a great QB (and is rightfully in the Hall of Fame). But Marino was a better version of Fouts. (And had a stronger arm as Fouts didn't have a strong arm).
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#17 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:01:21 AM(UTC)
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This is one guy that had a beautiful deep ball and made it look so effortless. Here is a video of a 60 yard pass against the wind and falling sideways.



I use to love watching Randall Cunningham play.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:17:22 AM(UTC)
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This is one guy that had a beautiful deep ball and made it look so effortless. Here is a video of a 60 yard pass against the wind and falling sideways.

I use to love watching Randall Cunningham play.


Fantastic play, but that's not a beautiful deep ball, lol. It was thrown up for grabs. I think the most amazing part of the play was Cunningham's escape. That was incredible! Then rolling to his left (which is harder to throw for a right handed QB), he sets up and heaves it to mid field where his guy catches it and runs away!

Awesome play, just awesome.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:12:15 PM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Yes, Warren Moon had a good deep ball too. But there is so much Favre hatred that they conveniently forget how good of a deep ball Favre had. Let's not forget that 2007, when Tom Brady had one of the best QB stat years ever, Favre completed more 40+ yard passes, including some nice game winners.

And yes, Favre had issues and had the tendency to throw it up and pray. If you discount those and count the ones when he actually kept his head, I don't think he's touchable. If you count the ones where he threw it up and prayed, then yes, you have a very strong argument that Favre's deep ball was overrated.

Lynn Dickey had a pretty nice deep ball too, but that's with another asterisk - he was throwing to James Lofton who was one of the best deep ball receivers in our lifetime (Randy Moss is the 00s version of James Lofton and had better numbers but that was after the NFL rule changes that enabled receivers to get away with stuff they couldn't get away with in the 70s and 80s).

I don't see myself as a Favre homer. I'm a huge Favre fan. But not a homer. He had mental issues that kept him from being as good as people like Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Aaron Rodgers. It's a shame too, because with his God given abilities, he should have been the best QB of the Super Bowl era. But he's a mental case and was always shooting himself (and the team) in the foot.


I don't agree with cherry picking the "good" Favre and ignoring the "bad" Favre.

Part of having a great deep ball is consistency on it. No discounts allowed.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:15:28 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Fantastic play, but that's not a beautiful deep ball, lol. It was thrown up for grabs. I think the most amazing part of the play was Cunningham's escape. That was incredible! Then rolling to his left (which is harder to throw for a right handed QB), he sets up and heaves it to mid field where his guy catches it and runs away!

Awesome play, just awesome.


I know that was just a heave but I posted it just to show arm strength. He did make the long passes look so easy, look when he got to Minny and couldn't run anymore. He loved having Moss :) and they went 15-1 and got beat right away like us last year.
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