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Offline rabidgopher04  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:02:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I trust Longwell over Crosby when it comes to 50+ field goals, lol.


I don't. Crosby has much more power to get it through the uprights, but Longwell is more accurate. Crosby has demonstrated capability of 60+ yd. field goals, well beyond Longwell's range. Crosby at least gives us a chance whereas Longwell didn't in certain situations.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:43:33 PM(UTC)
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The guy made barely over 50% of his kicks last year and they just handed him the job? sweet.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:12:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
I don't. Crosby has much more power to get it through the uprights, but Longwell is more accurate. Crosby has demonstrated capability of 60+ yd. field goals, well beyond Longwell's range. Crosby at least gives us a chance whereas Longwell didn't in certain situations.


doesn't matter if you can kick it 60+ yards if you can't get it between the goalposts.

Mason Crosby, 12 of 24 on 50+ yard field goal attempts.
Ryan Longwell, 11 of 15 on 50+ yard field goal attempts since '07 when Mason was drafted.

73% or 50%

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Offline rabidgopher04  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:28:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
doesn't matter if you can kick it 60+ yards if you can't get it between the goalposts.

Mason Crosby, 12 of 24 on 50+ yard field goal attempts.
Ryan Longwell, 11 of 15 on 50+ yard field goal attempts since '07 when Mason was drafted.

73% or 50%


Longwell's longest kicks those years were between 48-55 yards. Prior to being in a dome his longest between 45-54 yards. Crosby's have been between 52-58 yards. Crosby gives a better chance at longer range.

Considering McCarthy uses him in almost any 4th down scenario where there's a remote chance that he MIGHT make a FG I don't feel that stat line is an even comparison. There are situations in which Longwell would never have a chance of putting it through.

I think a more accurate comparison would be at each distance in one yard increments. For instance, let's say that 5 of Crosby's missed FG's were from 57 yards or more and Longwell never attempted a 57 yarder. It skews the stats. Using your stats I could argue that Crosby is the better kicker because he has made more total kicks.

I still stand by my assertion that Crosby is better because he at least provides a chance whereas Longwell just doesn't have the range and gives you no chance.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:59:49 AM(UTC)
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The stat line isn't a comparison at all because Ryan Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history, Mason Crosby is not. Twist the numbers around all you want, bottom line, Longwell is a more accurate kicker than Crosby, even on 50+ yard field goal attempts.

One yard increments would be better, no doubt. Although, when you'd see that Longwell had a higher percentage there too, then we'd have to factor in wind, the direction of wind, precipitation, etc ... until your assertion becomes more believable. Weeeee!! Maybe you're just a pissed off Applebee's employee? :P

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 4:08:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The stat line isn't a comparison at all because Ryan Longwell is one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history, Mason Crosby is not. Twist the numbers around all you want, bottom line, Longwell is a more accurate kicker than Crosby, even on 50+ yard field goal attempts.

One yard increments would be better, no doubt. Although, when you'd see that Longwell had a higher percentage there too, then we'd have to factor in wind, the direction of wind, precipitation, etc ... until your assertion becomes more believable. Weeeee!! Maybe you're just a pissed off Applebee's employee? :P


No, it's because I am Mason Crosby. Longwell couldn't carry my jock if he wanted to.

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:03:34 PM(UTC)
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No, it's because I am Mason Crosby. Longwell couldn't carry my jock if he wanted to.



Agreed.

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#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:20:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
doesn't matter if you can kick it 60+ yards if you can't get it between the goalposts.

Mason Crosby, 12 of 24 on 50+ yard field goal attempts.
Ryan Longwell, 11 of 15 on 50+ yard field goal attempts since '07 when Mason was drafted.

73% or 50%


Can't argue with these stats.

Besides, I don't want us kicking much longer than 50 yards. Mike McCarthy tends to be aggressive and go for a lot of situations where others will punt. I like that. I'd rather let Aaron Rodgers take a shot at 7 points than a kicker take a shot at 3, especially when we got the #1 O (and for the record, the best Packers' O ever).
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:51:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Can't argue with these stats.

Besides, I don't want us kicking much longer than 50 yards. Mike McCarthy tends to be aggressive and go for a lot of situations where others will punt. I like that. I'd rather let Aaron Rodgers take a shot at 7 points than a kicker take a shot at 3, especially when we got the #1 O (and for the record, the best Packers' O ever).


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When we cross the opponents 45 yard line it is go time and we move to 4 down territory, unless someone gets a holding call. Hell even the 50 yard line if it's time to step on a neck.

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:10:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
doesn't matter if you can kick it 60+ yards if you can't get it between the goalposts.

Mason Crosby, 12 of 24 on 50+ yard field goal attempts.
Ryan Longwell, 11 of 15 on 50+ yard field goal attempts since '07 when Mason was drafted.

73% or 50%


The 50% on 50+ yard attempts is due to Mason Crosby's training.....with the Rockettes......Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:09:31 PM(UTC)
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The 50% on 50+ yard attempts is due to Mason Crosby's training.....with the Rockettes......Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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I wouldn't mind that kind of training.

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#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:44:37 PM(UTC)
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I love you man!

When we cross the opponents 45 yard line it is go time and we move to 4 down territory, unless someone gets a holding call. Hell even the 50 yard line if it's time to step on a neck.



Well, you and I may have our disagreements, but one thing I'll never doubt - you got a pair. That's why I like Mike McCarthy. He's ballsy. I still have nightmares of Sherman punting the ball on 4th and 1 from our own 40 against the Eagles when we would have won that game with a first down. The Football Gods themselves cursed us on that day, and it took 7 years to break the curse.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:00:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I love you man!

When we cross the opponents 45 yard line it is go time and we move to 4 down territory, unless someone gets a holding call. Hell even the 50 yard line if it's time to step on a neck.



45 = 62 yard field goal
50 = 67 yard field goal

If it's third an anything manageable, it makes more sense to go for it than to punt, especially since 30 punters in the NFL can't coffin kick worth a shit.

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#29 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:29:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
45 = 62 yard field goal
50 = 67 yard field goal

If it's third an anything manageable, it makes more sense to go for it than to punt, especially since 30 punters in the NFL can't coffin kick worth a shit.


speaks volumes about how difficult it is then doesn't it?
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#30 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:02:15 AM(UTC)
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speaks volumes about how difficult it is then doesn't it?


That was a good portion of the point, lol.

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