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Formo  
#141 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:18:49 AM(UTC)


Yeah. He doesn't like us fans at ALL.. [duh]
wpr  
#142 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22:22 AM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post


You say that with such certainty.. It's funny. The Wilfs are very much looking into a retractable roof. Now, I'm aware that doesn't mean it's going to have one.. but they have been really open with the public on their thoughts on having one.


Sometimes you Vikings fans can be a little dense.
Absolutely I say this with such certainty. I don't waver back and forth. It is my opinion that, while the Wilfs are talking about thinking of looking into having a roof that retracts, perhaps. They will not cough up the money. I went further to say that it is my opinion that they will sell the franchise before the end of their first lease expires. (Which I ASSUME will be about 25 years.)

If you don't like it I don't really give a rip.
Formo  
#143 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:02:05 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Sometimes you Vikings fans can be a little dense.
Absolutely I say this with such certainty. I don't waver back and forth. It is my opinion that, while the Wilfs are talking about thinking of looking into having a roof that retracts, perhaps. They will not cough up the money. I went further to say that it is my opinion that they will sell the franchise before the end of their first lease expires. (Which I ASSUME will be about 25 years.)

If you don't like it I don't really give a rip.


It's not whether I like it or not. I think your pontification is funny, though. First off, no one knows how long the Wilf's will own the Vikings. And I find it funny because a LOT can happen in 30 years (the length of the lease) and you'll come back, pounding your old man chest saying how right you were. Strawman, meet WPR. =P

As for the roof proposition, we shall see. While you take the certainty route, I'll actually be reading the tea leaves and be informed. [rockon]
DakotaT  
#144 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:26:29 AM(UTC)
Zygi and his boys are interested in making money, not the welfare of Viking fans. Formo, you have your Ritchie Blackmore on again if you think he gives a rat's about you guys.
vikesrule  
#145 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14:13 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Zygi and his boys are interested in making money, not the welfare of Viking fans. Formo, you have your Ritchie Blackmore on again if you think he gives a rat's about you guys.


That is some seriously funny shit from someone that just got "legally scammed" to fork over $275 to the Packers for what is essentially a non-tax deductible donation and that piece of paper that is less than worthless.



It is most amusing that two things had to come into play for this scam to happen.

1. The Green Packers are exempt from the rule that applies to all other 31 teams.
2. The Green Bay Packers have the only fan base stupid enough to fall for this scam.

Green Bay Packers: "Hey, what do all you fans think about giving us $275 each and in return we give you nothing?
Billy-Bob DakotaT: "Whoooee, I'm a gonna let you have my money for nothin'......that's a gonna be awesome"
Green Bay Packers: <snicker, snicker>"Dumbass"
Formo  
#146 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:39:40 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Zygi and his boys are interested in making money, not the welfare of Viking fans. Formo, you have your Ritchie Blackmore on again if you think he gives a rat's about you guys.


If Wilf was ANYTHING like you think and claim he is, he would have moved them to LA, or sold the team long before making his fight vs. the MN legislature.

Wrong again, bucky.
DakotaT  
#147 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:13:19 PM(UTC)
vikesrule said: Go to Quoted Post
That is some seriously funny shit from someone that just got "legally scammed" to fork over $275 to the Packers for what is essentially a non-tax deductible donation and that piece of paper that is less than worthless.



It is most amusing that two things had to come into play for this scam to happen.

1. The Green Packers are exempt from the rule that applies to all other 31 teams.
2. The Green Bay Packers have the only fan base stupid enough to fall for this scam.

Green Bay Packers: "Hey, what do all you fans think about giving us $275 each and in return we give you nothing?
Billy-Bob DakotaT: "Whoooee, I'm a gonna let you have my money for nothin'......that's a gonna be awesome"
Green Bay Packers: <snicker, snicker>"Dumbass"


It's framed and hung underneath my Packer championship helmet with the championship won over the Steelers. Of course you wouldn't know that feeling. And the two look incredible together.

And I'd rather volunteer the money to help the team than let a bunch of hypocrite Tea Bagger politicians force it from me.
Zero2Cool  
#148 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:14:25 PM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
Making shit up again I see.

I know you want so badly to see the boogie man in my posts, and no matter how hard you try and call him out.. he's not going to come out. Simply because HE'S NOT THERE.


You did contradict yourself, but suppose it's a stretch ... and I stretched it baby!!!!!
wpr  
#149 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:24:45 PM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not whether I like it or not. I think your pontification is funny, though. First off, no one knows how long the Wilf's will own the Vikings. And I find it funny because a LOT can happen in 30 years (the length of the lease) and you'll come back, pounding your old man chest saying how right you were. Strawman, meet WPR. =P

As for the roof proposition, we shall see. While you take the certainty route, I'll actually be reading the tea leaves and be informed. [rockon]


We won't have to wait 30 years for me to find out if I am right. I am right, right now. Take it to the bank.

I did not bother to see how long the lease was. I figured it would be 30 years. Wilf will sell within 10 years. FACT.
wpr  
#150 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:30:10 PM(UTC)
vikesrule said: Go to Quoted Post
That is some seriously funny shit from someone that just got "legally scammed" to fork over $275 to the Packers for what is essentially a non-tax deductible donation and that piece of paper that is less than worthless.



It is most amusing that two things had to come into play for this scam to happen.

1. The Green Packers are exempt from the rule that applies to all other 31 teams.
2. The Green Bay Packers have the only fan base stupid enough to fall for this scam.

Green Bay Packers: "Hey, what do all you fans think about giving us $275 each and in return we give you nothing?
Billy-Bob DakotaT: "Whoooee, I'm a gonna let you have my money for nothin'......that's a gonna be awesome"
Green Bay Packers: <snicker, snicker>"Dumbass"


I am already on record as saying I think all the NFL teams should be allowed to sell worthless stock to fund new stadiums. (Ok everyone but Jerry Jones.) You would be amazed at how quickly fans would line up to buy that piece of paper. (Everyone but Jones and the New York teams.)

Why not let the die hard fans fund the stadiums instead of the general public? People spend a whole lot more than $250-500 for paintings and prints to stick on their walls.
wpr  
#151 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:33:08 PM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
If Wilf was ANYTHING like you think and claim he is, he would have moved them to LA, or sold the team long before making his fight vs. the MN legislature.

Wrong again, bucky.


Wilf is not clean on this issue. Don't assume just because they are staying in MN it is because he wants to stay. I would not be surprised to learn that Goodell called him on the phone and told him not to move or he would make their life miserable.
gbguy20  
#152 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:28:43 PM(UTC)
vikesrule said: Go to Quoted Post
That is some seriously funny shit from someone that just got "legally scammed" to fork over $275 to the Packers for what is essentially a non-tax deductible donation and that piece of paper that is less than worthless.



It is most amusing that two things had to come into play for this scam to happen.

1. The Green Packers are exempt from the rule that applies to all other 31 teams.
2. The Green Bay Packers have the only fan base stupid enough to fall for this scam.

Green Bay Packers: "Hey, what do all you fans think about giving us $275 each and in return we give you nothing?
Billy-Bob DakotaT: "Whoooee, I'm a gonna let you have my money for nothin'......that's a gonna be awesome"
Green Bay Packers: <snicker, snicker>"Dumbass"


Packers fans know it's worthless. They know they will get nothing in return. Yet they still donate, because they support their team. Maybe you're just mad that as a Minnesotan you don't have a choice whether to donate some cash to the team, your government decides for you.
Formo  
#153 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:09:24 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
We won't have to wait 30 years for me to find out if I am right. I am right, right now. Take it to the bank.

I did not bother to see how long the lease was. I figured it would be 30 years. Wilf will sell within 10 years. FACT.


lol

There are stipulations in the bill that says the state will get a nice percentage of the sale of the team if it is sold before the lease is over.

We'll see old man.
Formo  
#154 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:13:42 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Wilf is not clean on this issue. Don't assume just because they are staying in MN it is because he wants to stay. I would not be surprised to learn that Goodell called him on the phone and told him not to move or he would make their life miserable.


It's more financially SMART to stay.. WTF would he want to leave?! Once you get past your preconceived notions you will be able to accurately seek truth.

I'm not saying Wilf is a saint.. but he certainly went above and beyond with the MN legislature. And that's more than good enough for me.
Formo  
#155 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:19:00 PM(UTC)
Blog from Seifert at ESPN (and for those of you who don't remember/didn't know, he used to cover the Vikings prior to getting the ESPN gig): http://espn.go.com/blog/...etract-or-not-to-retract

Another article from Seifert on Wilf's history in MN: http://espn.go.com/blog/...ygi-wilf-saves-franchise
wpr  
#156 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:28:20 PM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
Blog from Seifert at ESPN (and for those of you who don't remember/didn't know, he used to cover the Vikings prior to getting the ESPN gig): http://espn.go.com/blog/...etract-or-not-to-retract

Another article from Seifert on Wilf's history in MN: http://espn.go.com/blog/...ygi-wilf-saves-franchise


Yeah we remember Siefert gets himself all buttered up when ever the vikings are around.
dfosterf  
#157 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:30:32 PM(UTC)
It's about $433 for the certificate, once you have it properly framed.

I pop my garage door, whip out my chair, crack a beer, look at my big-screen- surrounded by sports memorobilia in a subtle green, white and yellow trimmed background... pendant lights, tools organized, but a little bit of "clash", due to the "13 Time World champion" flag against that so-subtle "pine" type green wall, (coupled with the WW1 Marine Corps poster...it works).

I reflect on how life is good, how lucky life's circumstances got me to be a Green Bay Packers fan, how fun that is to be, and wonder why anyone would possibly be anything else, all things considered. I also am a big fan of Lexus automobiles, John Deere lawn equipment, and Echo string-trimmers. I like good shit- as I define it on a personal level- The Pack is good shit, imo.

Smile
wpr  
#158 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:45:20 PM(UTC)
Formo said: Go to Quoted Post
lol

There are stipulations in the bill that says the state will get a nice percentage of the sale of the team if it is sold before the lease is over.

We'll see old man.


yep we will see. Just as an example he bought them for $600 million and can sell them for $1.5 billion in 10 years. (In 2009 they were valued at $835 million by Forbes. Good enough for 31st place out of 32 franchises.)

Let's say the State gets 3 or even 10% just to put a number to it, he would do the deal.

Why would he deal? many possibilities. Maybe he needs the cash to finance something. In 10 year he will be 72. Maybe he wants to retire and move back to Germany. Maybe his real estate is tanking and he needs the cash to keep something else afloat. bottom line is it doesn't matter what the reason is he will sell.
Zero2Cool  
#159 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:08:33 PM(UTC)
I struggle to gather what pisses off vikesrule more ... Packers fans shelling out a couple hundred plus dollars for a piece of paper, or only getting to see his idol, err Brett Favre in the Vikings scrubs for two seasons.

I wouldn't be surprised if fans spend $200 on their team every year ... not sure why this is any different. There's no monetary value to a hoodie or jacket or jersey or anything like that ... you can't write that off on taxes, can you?
Formo  
#160 Posted : Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:30:35 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
yep we will see. Just as an example he bought them for $600 million and can sell them for $1.5 billion in 10 years. (In 2009 they were valued at $835 million by Forbes. Good enough for 31st place out of 32 franchises.)

Let's say the State gets 3 or even 10% just to put a number to it, he would do the deal.

Why would he deal? many possibilities. Maybe he needs the cash to finance something. In 10 year he will be 72. Maybe he wants to retire and move back to Germany. Maybe his real estate is tanking and he needs the cash to keep something else afloat. bottom line is it doesn't matter what the reason is he will sell.


25% in the first 10 years of the lease. 15% in years 11-15. 10% in years 16-20. Also, the first 5 years the Vikings ownership group can also bring/buy a MLS team. Which is another reason why they are seriously looking at a retractable roof.
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