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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 7:06:17 AM(UTC)
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Cary Williams was offered $15 million over three years and this is his reason for turning it down. This is the kind of stuff that pisses off fathers who provide for three daughters on a yearly salary that doesn't come close to breaking the six figure mark, let alone eight figures over three years.

Cary Williams said:
For me to say the money ain’t good, that wasn’t the case. It’s good money, but my job is to make the most money I possibly can for my family. I’m thinking about my daughter and any future children I want to have. I want some kind of security, and the deal we had wasn’t like that.


I'm all for athletes maximizing their financial worth (careers get cut short), but don't imply you'd struggle raising a family with $15 million over three years. You spot me $5 million right now, I could "retire" and provide all three of my girls great lives plus afford to place them in nearly any college of their choice.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 8:05:01 AM(UTC)
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I agree for the most part... and the greed of the NFL has been stuck in my craw prior to the lockout.. where they have a world by the ass and still can't find a way to work it out without proceeding into the legal arena.

That is the definition of greed.

That said... I don't know the contract details that were presented to Williams.. but with his wording.. I would have to believe that the guaranteed money is the issue. Probably short in his eyes.

I don't take much issue with guys pushing for some guarantees in their deals.. but again.. I don't know the structure of his deal to speak more than that upon it.
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I agree for the most part... and the greed of the NFL has been stuck in my craw prior to the lockout.. where they have a world by the ass and still can't find a way to work it out without proceeding into the legal arena.

That is the definition of greed.

That said... I don't know the contract details that were presented to Williams.. but with his wording.. I would have to believe that the guaranteed money is the issue. Probably short in his eyes.

I don't take much issue with guys pushing for some guarantees in their deals.. but again.. I don't know the structure of his deal to speak more than that upon it.


I'm all for guys pushing to get their maximum value, but don't tell me you can't provide adequately for your family with $15 million over three years. That just ticks me off. If he comes out and says "I know its a lot of money, but I feel I'm worth more and am willing to take the chance", so be it. And he even said as much, but he had to throw in that family comment. That's the only thing that upsets me. Don't use the family as a bargaining chip. People support their families on $10/hour (~$22k a year).
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No way I could raise my family with only $15 million in 3 years. We'd be homeless. There's no way I could send my son to college. Maybe a community college at best.

I'd also have no retirement.

Such a damn shame that a guy like that only makes $15 million in 3 years. Damn shame. Makes me wanna cry.
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#5 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 9:11:59 AM(UTC)
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I have mixed feelings when it comes to these situations. While I agree that NFL players should be well paid for obvious reasons, I would do just about any job for that paycheck. That is good sized contract - it is likely a disagreement with the guarenteed pay.

Some players need to get a grip on reality - most families don't break the 6 figure mark and can still live comfortably. With that kind of bank, I would never be complaining about money. I would love to see some of these guys live on $20k a year. I understand that injury can halt a career, but that is a risk you take walking onto the field.
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hardrocker950 said: Go to Quoted Post
I have mixed feelings when it comes to these situations. While I agree that NFL players should be well paid for obvious reasons, I would do just about any job for that paycheck. That is good sized contract - it is likely a disagreement with the guarenteed pay.

Some players need to get a grip on reality - most families don't break the 6 figure mark and can still live comfortably. With that kind of bank, I would never be complaining about money. I would love to see some of these guys live on $20k a year. I understand that injury can halt a career, but that is a risk you take walking onto the field.


The injury could halt their career, but I believe a good portion of NFL players have a college degree to fall back on too.
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The problem is when people get so accustomed to a rich lifestyle, that they can't see living any other way as living at all. God forbid their children will ever need to work a job in their lives, might have to buy their own car (or at least not get a luxury car from Daddy), and not have everything they want.
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The injury could halt their career, but I believe a good portion of NFL players have a college degree to fall back on too.


To be fair though, having a college degree is only worth so much, especially when their only adulthood job on their resume is "Professional Football Player". Having a wife that's been trying to find a job outside of food service with a Bachelors in Psychology (4.0 from a prestigious college) for the last 2 years, I know that a degree is no guarantee of a job. I know I'd be extremely hesitant to hire someone that's used to making millions of dollars, it's hard enough to find people that aren't used to doing what they enjoy and making millions to do work without complaining.
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Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
To be fair though, having a college degree is only worth so much, especially when their only adulthood job on their resume is "Professional Football Player". Having a wife that's been trying to find a job outside of food service with a Bachelors in Psychology (4.0 from a prestigious college) for the last 2 years, I know that a degree is no guarantee of a job. I know I'd be extremely hesitant to hire someone that's used to making millions of dollars, it's hard enough to find people that aren't used to doing what they enjoy and making millions to do work without complaining.


A college degree is a step above someone who doesn't have a degree, therefore they have an advantage. Also, being a former professional sports player is a positive, not a negative. Of course, the position of employment also factors a role too.
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm all for guys pushing to get their maximum value, but don't tell me you can't provide adequately for your family with $15 million over three years. That just ticks me off. If he comes out and says "I know its a lot of money, but I feel I'm worth more and am willing to take the chance", so be it. And he even said as much, but he had to throw in that family comment. That's the only thing that upsets me. Don't use the family as a bargaining chip. People support their families on $10/hour (~$22k a year).


My point there is simply this.. if they are not offering much in terms of guaranteed money.. if might not be a contract that secures his family long term.

3 year 15 million without much in guarantees offers little protection in this dog eat dog sport. He goes out and tears a knee up.. he might never see that money.

We don't know his financial situation.. his he supporting more than just his immediate family? Is he supporting a Mother, a Father? Brothers or sisters? Is there medical conditions anywhere in his family?

Not saying it is or isn't.. but without a chunk of guaranteed money, all you have is the potential to earn 15 over 3 in the cited example.

While most of us can't touch that type of cash, namely me lol, part of your job as a provider is to secure the family as best as you can.

So if the Ravens are backloading the deal.. or not offering much in terms of guarantees.. I could see the rational in the statement for a guy in his position and talent. NFL players have options we in the "real" world just don't have.

All I am saying is I can see why it is labeled as greed... but we just don't know enough details to understand his position.
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