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Since69  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:16:57 PM(UTC)
MJD on the trade block?

How crazy-good would our offense be with a running threat like him? Especially in December...
millertime  
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:47:04 PM(UTC)
First of all, we al know that there is 0% chance Ted Thompson will give up a high pick for MJD (only 27 years old).

But, hypothetically speaking, I'd like to see what you guys think. So answer these questions..

1. What would you give up for MJD (NFL leading rusher last season)?

2. How would he change our offense?

3. Which other players in the NFL would you give up a first (or multiple picks) round pick for?

Go!
millertime  
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:52:04 PM(UTC)
1. I would give up a first round pick. He would make our offense the greatest all-time.

Pros:
Can block, catch, and get the tough yards. He will be in his prime for 3 more years, and average frist round picks have contracts of 4-5 years. Seems like taking an All-Pro for 3 years make more sense than grabbing a rookie who may or may not turn out for 5 years. Will dominate in winter.

Cons: Takes away salary cap space from more important positions (defense, offensive line). Takes the ball out of A-Rod's hands more often. Has a lot of mileage. Smart, but opinionated player.

2. See above.

3. Players I'd give up two first round picks for: Joe Thomas, Pierre-Paul, Revis, Calvin Johnson.
zombieslayer  
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:57:47 PM(UTC)
Nothing. Don't want him.

He'll take plays away from Aaron Rodgers and take $$$ away from our D, which already is bad.
QCHuskerFan  
#5 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:14:58 PM(UTC)
I would give up nothing. He's a RB. He's disposable in today's NFL. Teams don't run the ball to win games. They run the ball to slow the pass rush because you win by throwing the ball. The top 5 rushing teams last year were Broncos, Texans, Panthers, Vikings, and Eagles. The worst rushing team last year was the Super Bowl Champion Giants. This is not the 1970's. Rushing yards is just not that critical.

I told a Bear fan last winter that I couldn't wait till they paid big money to Forte. Big money RB's are a great way to screw up your Cap for years.

I would add Larry Fitzgerald to your list of players I might give up more than a First for.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:32:26 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I would give up nothing. He's a RB. He's disposable in today's NFL. Teams don't run the ball to win games. They run the ball to slow the pass rush because you win by throwing the ball. The top 5 rushing teams last year were Broncos, Texans, Panthers, Vikings, and Eagles. The worst rushing team last year was the Super Bowl Champion Giants. This is not the 1970's. Rushing yards is just not that critical.

I told a Bear fan last winter that I couldn't wait till they paid big money to Forte. Big money RB's are a great way to screw up your Cap for years.

I would add Larry Fitzgerald to your list of players I might give up more than a First for.


Then again, it would be nice to have a guy who can run out the clock when we have a lead and/or produce in short yardage situations. But we might already have that guy. Or two.
porky88  
#7 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:36:51 PM(UTC)
I'd give up a first rounder. The best offense under Mike McCarthy was 2009. The Packers had a 1,200-yard running back that season with Ryan Grant. There's no reason they couldn't duplicate that success with a quality runner. MJD is that type of player. I understand the skepticism, because of today's pass-happy NFL, but the idea that just one pure way wins Super Bowl is as ridiculous as suggesting that one pure way builds a Super Bowl winner.

MJD wouldn't be a detriment to the team. He'd help make the offense more efficient, especially in short yardage situations. The shotgun and five-wide sets on third and three just doesn't cut. MJD picks that up most of the time ala Ahman Green in '03. This keeps drives alive and keeps the ball in Aaron Rodgers' hands instead of punting it away and allowing Jay Cutler (or whomever) to go to work on a very mediocre defense.
dhpackr  
#8 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:38:35 PM(UTC)
if Ted Thompson wanted MJD he could have simply drafted him.
zombieslayer  
#9 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:02:24 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I would give up nothing. He's a RB. He's disposable in today's NFL. Teams don't run the ball to win games. They run the ball to slow the pass rush because you win by throwing the ball. The top 5 rushing teams last year were Broncos, Texans, Panthers, Vikings, and Eagles. The worst rushing team last year was the Super Bowl Champion Giants. This is not the 1970's. Rushing yards is just not that critical.

I told a Bear fan last winter that I couldn't wait till they paid big money to Forte. Big money RB's are a great way to screw up your Cap for years.

I would add Larry Fitzgerald to your list of players I might give up more than a First for.


This ranks among the best posts ever.
beast  
#10 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:19:15 PM(UTC)
millertime said: Go to Quoted Post
1. What would you give up for MJD (NFL leading rusher last season)?

2. How would he change our offense?

3. Which other players in the NFL would you give up a first (or multiple picks) round pick for?


1) Trade a 2nd and 3rd to get him (if that would work... probably wouldn't, but doesn't hurt to try)

2) MJD wouldn't help "our offense" because then we'd re-trade him to the Cardinals for 3-4 DE Calais Campbell.... and tell Campbell to go get the other team QBs... and tell the DL to go get the ball..

or maybe to the Broncos... MJD would keep defense honest going against Peyton and help Peyton strength his career... in return the Packers would get Von Miller for OLB ... and move Matthews or Perry to MLB... and the Packers could run a 2-3 dime defense a lot with Matthews, Miller and Perry as the 3 LBers.

basically help the defensive pass rush out... and the defense has a lot of big contracts coming up in another year... Raji, Matthews, Burnett, Pickett... also on offense there is Starks, Finley.... and I feel like I'm forgetting some... I think Lang resigned already right?
beast  
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:20:58 PM(UTC)
dhpackr said: Go to Quoted Post
if Ted Thompson wanted MJD he could have simply drafted him.


He took Hawk and Jennings before MJD ...

Can we trade Hawk for MJD? ...

then maybe trade MJD for a DL pass rusher in a year?
Since69  
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:52:11 PM(UTC)
Oh, look. A speculative thread about the Packers possibly acquiring MJD... Ten replies in 20 minutes... not bad. Just, uh, you know, go ahead and keep ignoring the eerily similar thread I started a full day ago... that's cool.

As for me, I'd love MJD here. Especially in December. I'd give a player and a pick. Maybe even a high pick. And I'm sure Jax could use some help at receiver...
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:56:27 PM(UTC)
Since69 said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh, look. A speculative thread about the Packers possibly acquiring MJD... Ten replies in 20 minutes... not bad. Just, uh, you know, go ahead and keep ignoring the eerily similar thread I started a full day ago... that's cool.

As for me, I'd love MJD here. Especially in December. I'd give a player and a pick. Maybe even a high pick. And I'm sure Jax could use some help at receiver...


lmaoLOL
Since69  
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:11:14 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
lmaoLOL


It was more sarcastic than snarky, but thanks for the merge...
macbob  
#15 Posted : Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:29:26 PM(UTC)
What Zombie said. CB (as long as he holds onto the ball) should provide us sufficient running threat to make our play action passes effective.

zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Nothing. Don't want him.

He'll take plays away from Aaron Rodgers and take $$$ away from our D, which already is bad.


nyrpack  
#16 Posted : Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:19:04 PM(UTC)
i will take my chances with benson, it doesnt cost anything !!
hardrocker950  
#17 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 2:46:07 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I would give up nothing. He's a RB. He's disposable in today's NFL. Teams don't run the ball to win games. They run the ball to slow the pass rush because you win by throwing the ball. The top 5 rushing teams last year were Broncos, Texans, Panthers, Vikings, and Eagles. The worst rushing team last year was the Super Bowl Champion Giants. This is not the 1970's. Rushing yards is just not that critical.

I told a Bear fan last winter that I couldn't wait till they paid big money to Forte. Big money RB's are a great way to screw up your Cap for years.

I would add Larry Fitzgerald to your list of players I might give up more than a First for.


I would rather pass on this idea too. If CB can stay healthy and produce some threat in the running game, he is doing exactly what he is on the team for. No reason to spend insane amounts of cash for a player we don't need. Also consider that this OL is built around the passing game and short runs, I don't know how effectively they could utilize a RB of that type - not bashing them for it, just doesn't seem to fit this offense IMO.

Those funds can be spent in places that we need upgrades - such as quality pass rushers. Aside from Clay, the rest are not consistent enough. Also consider that we have guys like GJ that are nearing the end of their contract - I would rather keep players like him around.
RainX  
#18 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:02:22 AM(UTC)
MJD is easily worth a first rounder, but for what the Packers do on offense, backs like Benson, Green, and Saine will be more than adequate for the running game. All we need is someone who can keep opposing defenses honest, and Benson has shown he can be a workhorse back in that regard.

Packers have some big contracts coming up with Jennings, Rodgers, Raji, and Matthews nearing the end of their respective deals. We may need that first round pick to fill some holes because potentially, we may not be able to keep everybody. That doesn't even include guys like Saturday and Woodson who may not have a whole lot left in the tank in the next season or two. Receiver is really the only position imo right now, say a veteran like Driver retired, that the group wouldn't skip a beat as far as production. Can't say the same about the offensive line or secondary right now.

MJD would be a great pick up under the right circumstances, but Packers have bigger needs right now with their upcoming draft picks to give up a first rounder for a disgruntled RB who feels he's not getting paid enough.
Pack93z  
#19 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:11:10 AM(UTC)
It would not be about the cost of picks to acquire MJD or another top flight back at this point.. it would be all about cap management in the short and long term.

First.. we would not have the cap space short term to pay the man without backloading the contract.

Second.. it would only further cloud the juggling act that will be keeping talent beyond this season. If you are going to cough up a high pick or a package of picks.. you better keep him long term.

And he doesn't want to play out his contract short term.



I wish the Packers would draft a back almost every year.. roll the dice and use them up in the first couple of seasons, then allow them to walk when the contract years hit and they have taken a load of hits already. If you hit on a back and he is a blue chipper.. then maybe pay the man. Otherwise, much like Wolf and backup QB's.. keep cycling the talent through.
porky88  
#20 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 1:43:35 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
It would not be about the cost of picks to acquire MJD or another top flight back at this point.. it would be all about cap management in the short and long term.

First.. we would not have the cap space short term to pay the man without backloading the contract.

Second.. it would only further cloud the juggling act that will be keeping talent beyond this season. If you are going to cough up a high pick or a package of picks.. you better keep him long term.

And he doesn't want to play out his contract short term.



I wish the Packers would draft a back almost every year.. roll the dice and use them up in the first couple of seasons, then allow them to walk when the contract years hit and they have taken a load of hits already. If you hit on a back and he is a blue chipper.. then maybe pay the man. Otherwise, much like Wolf and backup QB's.. keep cycling the talent through.

This is a great point. I overlooked the contract demand of MJD. He's worth a first rounder, but only if you can fit his contract into the grand scheme of things. For example, I much rather have Greg Jennings long-term than MJD.
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