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Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 10:46:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
My point there is simply this.. if they are not offering much in terms of guaranteed money.. if might not be a contract that secures his family long term.

3 year 15 million without much in guarantees offers little protection in this dog eat dog sport. He goes out and tears a knee up.. he might never see that money.

We don't know his financial situation.. his he supporting more than just his immediate family? Is he supporting a Mother, a Father? Brothers or sisters? Is there medical conditions anywhere in his family?

Not saying it is or isn't.. but without a chunk of guaranteed money, all you have is the potential to earn 15 over 3 in the cited example.

While most of us can't touch that type of cash, namely me lol, part of your job as a provider is to secure the family as best as you can.

So if the Ravens are backloading the deal.. or not offering much in terms of guarantees.. I could see the rational in the statement for a guy in his position and talent. NFL players have options we in the "real" world just don't have.

All I am saying is I can see why it is labeled as greed... but we just don't know enough details to understand his position.


I never once judged him, nor would I ever as I am ignorant to the entire facts (perhaps he has tons of medical bills from a family member coping with cancer?). I take offense to any implication of the such. I specifically said this kind of stuff, not this person. You hurt my feelings. Speak to the hand

As for the guaranteed money, figure it like this. Average salary is what, $40,000 per year? Do that for 45 years and you get ~$2 million. He's earning $1.9 million this year, not including previously earned wages.

Again, I repeat ... I am all for people getting their max value ... it just rubs me the wrong way when someone making seven figures or more uses family as reasoning for needing more money. That is my beef. That is my issue.

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#17 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 10:48:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Since69 Go to Quoted Post
I had to google his name; guess how I feel about his "need" to earn more than $5M a year...


If he feels he's worth more than $5 million a year, I'm all for it. I'm just saying, don't use family as a reason for "needing" more money.

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#18 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 11:01:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I never once judged him, nor would I ever as I am ignorant to the entire facts (perhaps he has tons of medical bills from a family member coping with cancer?). I take offense to any implication of the such. I specifically said this kind of stuff, not this person. You hurt my feelings. Speak to the hand


Who the hell said you did... I clearly stated I would not judge him.. I never stated nor implied you did.

Please don't put words or implication in my posts.. I was posting my opinion on the topic at hand.. not picking yours apart.

Did I make that point clear now?

My point is.. "this stuff" shouldn't be, in my opinion, taken as a global statement from all.. each different case has different circumstances.. and we just don't know those circumstances all the time.

That is all..


I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#19 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 11:05:08 AM(UTC)
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Furthermore, if my what 5 plus years of posts haven't made it clear.. there isn't a player in the game that deserves to make the kind of coin they do.. none.

So at the end of the day.. I fail to understand any of them bitching about money at all.

But it is the current landscape of the sport.. or sports in general.. and we the people support that system season after season.

So in the end.. is there really a good way for saying 3 year and 15 million is not enough for me to play a game?
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#20 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 11:09:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Who the hell said you did... I clearly stated I would not judge him.. I never stated nor implied you did.

Please don't put words or implication in my posts.. I was posting my opinion on the topic at hand.. not picking yours apart.

Did I make that point clear now?

My point is.. "this stuff" shouldn't be, in my opinion, taken as a global statement from all.. each different case has different circumstances.. and we just don't know those circumstances all the time.

That is all..


My apologies then, I read your post incorrectly. I agree, "this stuff" shouldn't be a global statement from all.

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#21 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 11:12:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
So in the end.. is there really a good way for saying 3 year and 15 million is not enough for me to play a game?


In my opinion, omitting "need" is a start. If the Player feels he's worth more than X amount, so be it. Not everyone has the gifts or opportunities to play in the NFL and as it's rare, it should be paid accordingly. I just get bothered when someone making seven figures or more says they need more money to support their family. That's all. Again, I don't know if he is supporting someone with massive medical bills, so I'm not deliberately singling him out here, only the mentality of "I need more than seven figures to raise a family".
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#22 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 3:20:44 PM(UTC)
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I find it degrading to themselves when people use the "family security" angle when talking 10s of millions of dollars. To me that's the equivilant to saying "I'm too stupid to manage my money".
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Offline Wade  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:14:23 AM(UTC)
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Actually, I don't even know who the guy is.

But....as always... I seem to be on the "other side."

IMO he should go for as much as he can get and not have to justify doing so. Sure, he's been offered something I'm never going to get within smelling distance of financially. Well more than a family "needs" to prosper. But to me that's irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that the person paying him is expecting to get a lot more value than is being paid for his services. So if he wants to fight for a bigger share of the pie that he is splitting with other rich guys, he should go for it.

These kind of things are never "should a rich person be satisfied so non-rich people get more" -- they're merely "which rich person should get how much."

Frankly, if I believed that someone is going to be willing to pay me two gazillion dollars for my services, I'm not going to settle for a mere 1.5 gazillion.

Now of course if the employer turns out not to be willing to pay the 2 gazillion, I'd be hosed. But such is life.

Go for it, dude. Go for it.
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