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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:27:43 AM(UTC)
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Who do you WANT to be the starting cornerback alongside Tramon Williams?

I'm not too comfortable with either, but I'd have to go with Sam Shields because of his big play making ability and also if he gets burned he has the speed to compensate for it.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:56:15 AM(UTC)
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Sheilds, Bush never seems to turn around and make a play on the ball, even though he is often in position to do so. It drives me nuts.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:51:58 AM(UTC)
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I'm still really surprised Bush didn't work out better as a safety/SS. It just seems like it would suit him better, imo. Obviously I'm wrong, though.

Otherwise, I'd want Shields, especially the Shields of 2010 and 2012 preseason game 4.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:55:06 AM(UTC)
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I'm not a big fan of either one but if I had to pick between those 2 I'd pick Shields based on speed and I believe better ball awareness.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:07:30 AM(UTC)
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I will take anyone that can get the job done.. personally, if he keeps progressing, I will take Hayward by the middle of the season.

Anyway.. for this coming weekend.. I think in passing downs, with the number of receivers the 49er's have (5 # 1's, lol) we are going to see a ton of dime coverage.. so we are going to get healthy doses of both Bush and Shields.

Shields, with his head right, is a better cover corner than Bush. IMO.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:13:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I will take anyone that can get the job done.. personally, if he keeps progressing, I will take Hayward by the middle of the season.


Wait, Hayward? I don't recall him being discussed here? Me and my damn thread title typo's! Thanks for pointing this out!!!!

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#7 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:15:30 AM(UTC)
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Shields is better in coverage. Bush is a better tackler. So running plays, Bush. Passing plays, Shields.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:18:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Shields is better in coverage. Bush is a better tackler. So running plays, Bush. Passing plays, Shields.


That was my troubling point between the two. Bush is better at tackling, but Shields is better in coverage. I give the edge to Shields because I think he has the speed to correct some of his deficiencies.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:20:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Wait, Hayward? I don't recall him being discussed here? Me and my damn thread title typo's! Thanks for pointing this out!!!!

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Ahhh...

Zero2Cool wrote:
Who do you WANT to be the starting cornerback alongside Tramon Williams?


So I answered.. but I also followed up with my choice between the two within the thread title.

2 birds.. 1 stone. Big Grin
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#10 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:25:52 AM(UTC)
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Could Jarrett Bush guard Michael Crabtree or Mario Manningham? I don't think he can. I think Sam Shields could at least keep up with them and make game changing plays. I think Bush is better suited to guard TE's and more physical WR's. I don't like the idea of putting him in to help with the run defense because that's when play action deep balls come into play and if we're relying on DB's to stop the run we aren't doing a good job anyway.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:33:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: coltonja Go to Quoted Post
Could Jarrett Bush guard Michael Crabtree or Mario Manningham? I don't think he can. I think Sam Shields could at least keep up with them and make game changing plays. I think Bush is better suited to guard TE's and more physical WR's. I don't like the idea of putting him in to help with the run defense because that's when play action deep balls come into play and if we're relying on DB's to stop the run we aren't doing a good job anyway.


Agreed.. I would rather not see Bush outside of the hash marks if possible.. inside I trust him more than on the edges. Good post.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:38:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed.. I would rather not see Bush outside of the hash marks if possible.. inside I trust him more than on the edges. Good post.


He did that get that INT in the superbowl inside the hashes, maybe you're on to the something.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:08:02 AM(UTC)
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Packers | Jarrett Bush listed as starting CB

Was going to post this yesterday but didn't see this thread at the time.

Jarret Bush has earned his shot, look back and see just how bad he was his first couple of years.
Amazing how ted and Mike have stuck with him, and how he has shown improvement every year.

I really think Bush is more suited to play the role of Charles Woodson, but since Charles isn't going anywhere this year, time to give Jarret his shot.

Someone stated it earlier, they both are going to see a lot of playing time.



Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:09:00 -0700

Green Bay Packers CB Jarrett Bush is listed as a starter heading into Week 1 against the San Francisco 49ers, according to the initial regular season depth chart released Tuesday, Sept. 4.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:10:54 AM(UTC)
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The Packers.com depth chart has Sam Shields backing up Tramon Williams with Jarrett Bush starting and being backed up by Casey Hayward.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:22:56 AM(UTC)
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Mccarthy himself has said that he won't allow the niners to find out who they are going to see through the newspapers. Just because the depth chart says one thing, doesn't mean it actually means anything.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:30:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Mccarthy himself has said that he won't allow the niners to find out who they are going to see through the newspapers. Just because the depth chart says one thing, doesn't mean it actually means anything.


I wouldn't be surprised if Jarrett Bush gets the start because the 49ers are a running team and usually the first play of a series is a run when you're a running team. And I think Bush is probably better against the run.


I still would prefer Sam Shields being the guy over Jarrett Bush.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:50:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Mccarthy himself has said that he won't allow the niners to find out who they are going to see through the newspapers. Just because the depth chart says one thing, doesn't mean it actually means anything.


Yes. Mike McCarthy likes to do that. So I don't believe anything he tells the media. (Which is a GOOD thing).

I do like Bush though. I know he's often the scapegoat on this site, but I like him. He's a ST demon and he plays his heart out. He's fearless too and a good tackler.

Yes, he does blow coverages, but our 2 biggest problems last year on D were:
1) lack of a pass rush,
2) sloppy tackling

At least Bush is good at tackling.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:18:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Shields is better in coverage. Bush is a better tackler. So running plays, Bush. Passing plays, Shields.



Bush is better in the slot, stuffing the run and blitzing the QB. As a third stringer behind Woody and Hayward,

No way Bush belongs on the outside.

If Shields continues to play the way he did in the last regular season game, he should have that spot.

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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:17:48 PM(UTC)
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I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner
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#20 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:19:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: agopackgo4 Go to Quoted Post
I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner


He's only in the discussion because the talent drop off. Big Grin
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#21 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 6:41:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: agopackgo4 Go to Quoted Post
I would take Bush. Until he gets burned in the game on Sunday I believe he can get the job done. He's one of the most athletic guys on this team. He's shown improvement in his years in GB. Remember early in his career? He wouldn't even be in a discussion for a job like this. So the fact that he is even in this discussion says something about his progression. And don't forget the pass rush was an issue last year. he is above average at coming with the blitz. For a corner


Another good point. He is better than Shields at pass rushing. (And yes, that's important considering how poor we were at it last year).
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#22 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:39:07 PM(UTC)
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I haven't trusted Bush in coverage... but this preseason he looked a whole lot better, and surprisingly didn't make huge mistakes. He made a couple of smaller ones but Shields and Hayward made more.

The 49ers run the ball more, and Capers has been blitzing CBs from the outside some and Bush might be better at taking down a RB in the back field.

I think Bush will get the start.

I think Shields might be the best pure coverage guy of the rest.

A healthy House might be the best overall but we don't know if he'll be healthy enough yet.

I really liked Hayward, he made some rookie mistakes in one game but overall I thought he looked more like a 2nd year guy out there and just seemed to get it.



Not excited about this... but I think I'll go with Bush... of the healthy guys he's made the least mistakes, so earned a shot. It's the 49ers who like the run the ball and be physical which matches his style. But I might have a short leash...

Also I'm worried one of the DBs will get burned by the play action with the 49ers run their offense off of. Run the ball, run the ball, fake run the ball and pass.... I think that fake will get one of the DBs if the pressure doesn't get to him.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:57:13 PM(UTC)
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Bush can maintain coverage. He just can't make a play on the ball when it's in the air.
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#24 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2012 11:18:39 AM(UTC)
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It is my hope that Shields can make a number of big plays which would help him get his confidence back and, of course, it would also help the cause.
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