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Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:17:22 AM(UTC)
Last nights game was pretty clean, one missed defensive holding near the goal line was the major miss of the night. But really, don't the normal refs miss the same types of calls last night.

Another gaff was they botched the descriptor on a false start by calling it offsides.

Watching the game, I think they let the secondary play a little bit more aggressive than normal, but that even with the normal crews vary from crew to crew.

Overall.. they really had no impact on the game. In fact, the shot on Eli was probably a subjective call in which they sided on player safety by enforcing the roughing. Up yours De.

They are not going to be perfect.. but then again neither are the normal crews. But because the attention is focused on them, we are highlighting everything. Pop in a game from last season and focus on the officiating.. your going to see missed calls throughout the game. The focus just wasn't as intense on it.

Zero2Cool  
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:35:12 AM(UTC)
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Pack93z  
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:53:46 AM(UTC)
Ahh.. examples.. you want examples. Okay.

How about this non call?

UserPostedImage

or these..

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10. Tuck Rule: Right Call, Wrong Explanation You know what happened here. The Raiders were up late in snowy Foxboro in the AFC Divisional playoffs as the Patriots were driving. Tom Brady wound up to throw, but as Charles Woodson sprinted in from the edge and hit Brady’s arm, the quarterback returned the ball to his body. The ball was jarred loose, and Oakland pounced on the pigskin, sending the Silver and Black into pandemonium.

But referee Walt Coleman says not so fast. "After reviewing the play, the quarterback’s arm was moving forward, and the result of the play was an incomplete forward pass." Patriots ball. Patriots win. Patriots go on to become Super Bowl champions. The rulebook has it right -- if the quarterback brings his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changes his mind and tries to keep hold of the football rather than making a pass, it is still considered a forward pass -- but Coleman had it wrong. The contest now forever known as The Tuck Rule Game still has fans scratching their heads to this day.

9. Thanksgiving Day Coin Flop While "heads" and "tails" sound different to most of us, referee Phil Luckett had trouble telling the difference. The Detroit Lions and Pittsburgh Steelers met at midfield for an overtime coin flip on Thanksgiving Day in 1999, and with hundreds of thousands of turkey-stuffed football fans watching, Luckett flubbed the coin flip. Jerome Bettis called "tails," but the ref heard "heads." When the coin came up tails, he awarded the Lions the ball, despite angry protests from the Pittsburgh captains and bench. The Lions took the wrongful opening possession down the field for a score to win the game. Now if the NFL had the college playoff system, this wouldn’t even be an issue -- but that's an argument for another story.

6. Ed Hochuli Gives Jay Cutler a Mulligan The Denver Broncos won a thrilling, 39-38 victory over San Diego with a heaping pile of thanks to Ed Hochuli on Sept. 14, 2008. With the Broncos on the goal line late in the game, Jay Cutler rolled out to his right and aimed to fire a pass on the run -- except the ball slipped out of his hand as his arm rocketed forward, sending the ball puttering sideways, which the Chargers jumped on. Hochuli immediately ruled the pass incomplete, which just two years ago, was not a reviewable call. The NFL has since written in the Hochuli Rule, allowing incomplete passes to be reviewed to see if they are, in fact, fumbles. Cutler and the Broncos took advantage of Hochuli’s misstep, winning the game on a touchdown and two-point conversion. Justice was served, though, as the Chargers rallied to win the division.


1. The Play -- From Two Snaps Ago -- is Under Review Cleveland is well known for its looming sports curse. After all, the city hasn’t tasted a title in any of the major sports since 1964. Although the Browns were far from the Super Bowl, they were fighting for a spot in the playoffs and had a packed Cleveland Browns stadium believing in 2001. Down 15-10 to Jacksonville with less than a minute to go, the Browns were driving. Tim Couch hit Quincy Morgan on fourth-and-2 to reach the 9-yard line and a first down. Couch quickly assembled his line and spiked the ball to stop the clock with 48 seconds to go. But as the Browns prepared for their next play, referee Terry McAulay announced that his replay buzzer went off just before the previous play was snapped and the play would be under review. As any casual football fan can tell you, however, a play cannot be reviewed after another play -- yes, even a spike -- is run. The refs called Morgan’s catch incomplete, ending the Browns’ drive, hopes of winning the game and chances for the playoffs. The snarling Dawg Pound responded as expected, tossing bottles and any other objects at arm’s length at the refs, igniting a furious riot in championship-starved Cleveland.


Read more at: http://www.nesn.com/2010...mistakes-in-history.html

Shall we continue?
Pack93z  
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:59:50 AM(UTC)
Since they are sorely missed.. lets revisit comments on the types we currently are locking out.

Walt Coleman

A whole blog full of examples of botched call.. http://www.refsuck.com/

There mission statement...

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WHY THIS SITE?

I created this site to expose a problem in the NFL. The league would have you believe NFL officials do a great job and no problem exists. But far too often we see officials blow calls and make up rules. I'm not here to bust balls, but to pressure the NFL to address the problem. It's time the NFL hold officials accountable and admit to mistakes. More importantly, it's time the NFL implement a system whereby officials are not deciding the outcome of games, but are in place to assure a game is played fairly and within the rules.


Pack93z  
#25 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:02:38 AM(UTC)
My point is.. the game with continue on. Refs and missed calls have been and will always be a part of the game.

Basically, the focus on it is over the top IMO, especially considering the demands these part time employees of the league, thus us the fans want.

Piss on them. Watch the games from your couch on Sunday and collect nothing.
Zero2Cool  
#26 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:09:20 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
My point is.. the game with continue on. Refs and missed calls have been and will always be a part of the game.

Basically, the focus on it is over the top IMO, especially considering the demands these part time employees of the league, thus us the fans want.

Piss on them. Watch the games from your couch on Sunday and collect nothing.


I don't want any officials, but do understand someone has to spot the ball and indicate the down. I'd rather more officials off the field making the call. The NFL has too many rules in my opinion and makes too people cry "wahh not fair!".

I say, lace up, shut up, and play the game like men, not metro-sexual whiny asses worried about their next commercial take and if they have a black eye or not.
Formo  
#27 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:54:48 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Last nights game was pretty clean, one missed defensive holding near the goal line was the major miss of the night. But really, don't the normal refs miss the same types of calls last night.

Another gaff was they botched the descriptor on a false start by calling it offsides.

Watching the game, I think they let the secondary play a little bit more aggressive than normal, but that even with the normal crews vary from crew to crew.

Overall.. they really had no impact on the game. In fact, the shot on Eli was probably a subjective call in which they sided on player safety by enforcing the roughing. Up yours De.

They are not going to be perfect.. but then again neither are the normal crews. But because the attention is focused on them, we are highlighting everything. Pop in a game from last season and focus on the officiating.. your going to see missed calls throughout the game. The focus just wasn't as intense on it.



I did't see the game, but that's what I heard. Hopefully this is a good sign that they won't be as terrible as I've seen them. Of course, that was only one game.. we have a whole Sunday to look at as well. But as of right now, the replacement refs are 1-0. Good for them.
Pack93z  
#28 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:28:48 PM(UTC)
The Packers game... I will admit that the refs have been overly involved due to mistakes or bad calls.

Some against the Packers.. some have helped them. This has been a poorly reffed game.

But been pretty evenly split in poor calls.
Formo  
#29 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:20:14 PM(UTC)
Replacement refs looked terrible in the 2+ games I watched today. While they didn't botch plays as bad as they did in the Packer/Niner game, the Vikings refs most certainly looked like HS refs.
porky88  
#30 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:02:14 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
The Packers game... I will admit that the refs have been overly involved due to mistakes or bad calls.

Some against the Packers.. some have helped them. This has been a poorly reffed game.

But been pretty evenly split in poor calls.

I got tired of the announcers harping on angry coaches, because we all know the coaches never got mad at the regular officials. [sarcasm]

The lack of consistency is troubling. I don't mind late calls. The game's moving very fast, so they need time to react, but we need consistency. They weren't consistent in the Green Bay game. A couple of lucky plays and you could argue San Francisco was cheated out of a major road win had Green Bay came back.
Pack93z  
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:36:59 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I got tired of the announcers harping on angry coaches, because we all know the coaches never got mad at the regular officials. [sarcasm]

The lack of consistency is troubling. I don't mind late calls. The game's moving very fast, so they need time to react, but we need consistency. They weren't consistent in the Green Bay game. A couple of lucky plays and you could argue San Francisco was cheated out of a major road win had Green Bay came back.


Agreed... the overplay on the refs tardy calls or discussions were overboard. But Pieria was even more annoying... you had your chance to fix the bad calls. You failed.. now accept it and move on.

wpr  
#32 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:41:44 PM(UTC)
I had Sirius Radio on in the car. I listened to parts of both teams radio networks. Both were screaming at the poor calls and lack of consistency.
Porforis  
#33 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:22:21 PM(UTC)
I was strongly in the "These guys aren't that much worse than the regular officials and will get better with time." camp in the preseason.

I don't say this much, but I was wrong. Very, very wrong. This crew was absolutely pitiful, and the only positive thing I can say about them is that they were screwing both teams evenly.
Zero2Cool  
#34 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:32:03 PM(UTC)
The Packers crew called more penalties than any other crew during the preseason.
flep  
#35 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 2:25:03 AM(UTC)
Worst refs ever. The block in the back call was atrocious.

They waived off a block in the back which never was and missed a blatant block in the back.

Both teams suffered.
Wade  
#36 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:14:32 AM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
I was strongly in the "These guys aren't that much worse than the regular officials and will get better with time." camp in the preseason.

I don't say this much, but I was wrong. Very, very wrong. This crew was absolutely pitiful, and the only positive thing I can say about them is that they were screwing both teams evenly.


IMO, yesterday's crew gave a great imitation of the Jeff Triplett crew.

Unfortunately.

PackerTraxx  
#37 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:41:31 AM(UTC)
The NFL needs full time officials. Properly trained and coached. They should know the rules book inside out. They should be watching film and studying year around. At $90K+, they should have a waiting line of competent people.
Pack93z  
#38 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:50:53 AM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
The NFL needs full time officials. Properly trained and coached. They should know the rules book inside out. They should be watching film and studying year around. At $90K+, they should have a waiting line of competent people.


100% agreed.. then they can ask for benefits and a pension. :-"

The issue is and will be, there simply isn't enough work to make that many employees full time with such a light workload over the course of 12 months.

What needs to happen IMO, is they need a deeper pool of refs to be able to pull in and make them more incentive based in compensation. Make an acceptable range of mistakes before you start getting docked pay and or sit for games without pay.

Also give them help in terms of a league office in which they can turn to within games for replays and questionable calls to turn to. They are human, and if we want them to be almost perfect, then we have to give them more than just there "human" eyes.

The replacement refs make a greater percentage of errors.. one cannot argue that, but the normal crews make a number of errors weekly as well.

It is human.
Cheesey  
#39 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 12:29:50 PM(UTC)
Well....if the "real" refs needed any incentive as far as the NFL begging them to come back, yesterday should give them all the ammo they need.
I have NEVER seen a worse reffed game.
False starts by the niners not called, pass interference not called, the block in the back not called.
And the opening kickoff.....has anyone ever heard of an illegal block in the back by the kicking team?
It was AWFUL.
I know that even the real refs miss calls, but this was constant all day. I couldn't even count all of them.
Wade  
#40 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:05:45 PM(UTC)
Read on PFT today that:

1. Jerry Markbreit opined (again) on how "Goodell doesn't care," etc.

but also

2. Ben Dreith thought the replacements were doing a good job.

Both were excellent officials, pretty much better than any of the replacements or any of today's locked-out officials. So if these two guys can't agree, I just can't get bothered by the lockout/replacements.

To be sure I'll complain if I see a game where they suck. But in a normal year, you can expect the Packer to get a couple more games with the Triplett and Hochuli crews, including some in the playoffs because of their seniority if nothing else. And it's pretty much guaranteed, therefore, that the Packers would have some games where the officiating sucked.

If all of these wonderful experienced NFL officials were as good as Markbreit and Dreith I'd be depressed about the loss.

But they weren't. So I'm not.
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