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Offline neromich  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 3:59:04 PM(UTC)
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That is all. Ha
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Offline Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:06:18 PM(UTC)
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Weeeee!!

We are losing the time of possession and the offense has basically been silent for much of the game.

They have made mental and communication mistakes in the secondary.. but other than that, they have been handed a bad hand in support again from the offense in terms of keeping them off the field.

So no.. it hasn't been worthy to can anyone.

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline tromadz  
#3 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:34:39 PM(UTC)
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Why Dom Capers should be fired:

-Putting linebackers on WRs consistently. It never works. Because they're linebackers on wide receivers.
-3 man rush. A lot of us like to complain about this one. Because it never works.
-Bush on starting WRs. This could be blamed on Ted Thompson for not providing good CBs perhaps, but no coach in their right mind puts Bush out there against starting wide receivers.
-Playing CBs 5-7 yards off consistently. This is the NFL. Those are automatic receptions. And they are against us every time.
-No halftime adjustments. If what we're doing works in the first half, that's good because we're not changing anything. If we're failing in the first half, that's not good because we're not changing anything.
-Bad tackling. We get great contain, but the tackling is bad. It's pretty much always been bad.
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- GB was the LAST RANKED defense last year.
- GB was LAST in sack% last year. UNACCEPTABLE

These are just a few reasons I can name off the top of my head.

Dom Capers helped us get to the Superbowl and we won it all, and that's great. Since then, and nobody can deny this, the defense has been terrible. We give up points, we give up yards. We get occasional turnovers, but it's inconsistent at best.

This is a very talented roster. There's no reason for it to be playing as badly as it has the last couple years. Woodson, Cm3, Tramon, Raji, Pickett,etc.

I am now 100% on the "Fire Dom Capers" bandwagon. I was almost on it last year but Capers has shown nothing has changed. That's a recipe for failure and as a fan of this team, I won't stand for it. Capers seems out of touch, up in his booth, falling asleep, and not utilizing this talented defensive group.

Some might argue "Dude, it was one game." This season it was. but this has been happening since we won the Superbowl. It seemed like an anomaly last year, but...no, it's a trend. I don't know or care what the reason is, but I'm not going to stand for it. I love the team and think they're too good for this.

Fire Dom Capers.
Offline orange  
#4 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:55:13 PM(UTC)
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If there was a rank #33 for the worst defense, we will catch it this year.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:59:55 PM(UTC)
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Capers' unit is playing for his job this year, no question.

That said, I don't think they cost us this game. Did they suck? Yes, but they did get off the field when it mattered.
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Offline musccy  
#6 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:12:53 PM(UTC)
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I'm not yet ready to hit the panic button on the pass d just yet. With DJ, Perry, and a new safety in the mix, it's not earth shattering that there were communication errors like we saw. The pass rush showed minor glimpses of hope as well. The run D, however, I have no clue what to say about that. It was putrid.
Offline yooperfan  
#7 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:16:50 PM(UTC)
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Seems like I heard in the past that Dom has the reputation of turning defenses around initially only to have his defenses slide into mediocrity or worse in the following years.
I doubt he will be fired during the season but I also doubt this defense will get better under him.
Offline tromadz  
#8 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:18:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Capers' unit is playing for his job this year, no question.

That said, I don't think they cost us this game. Did they suck? Yes, but they did get off the field when it mattered.


This just in: ALL THE QUARTERS MATTER.
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Offline stevegb  
#9 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:27:59 PM(UTC)
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We haven't been the same since Cullen Jenkins left, also I think when you lose a super star like Nick Collins your going to have to allow some time for one of the younger safeties to learn the ropes and become confident. I really like Burnett and Id like to see more of mcMillian, also it seemed Woody needed some time to grow into a safety.

My issue with firing capers is how long do you think it will take to recover and learn the new defense, do we revert back to a 4-3 or start a tampa-2 defense? those will take at least a year to grasp not to mention finding the players to fit the scheme. I do think he needs to get some more creativity going though, we need to find something original like when we introduced the psycho package, offensive co-ordinators are getting used to the way we use woody as an anything player.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:33:31 PM(UTC)
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That's nice and all that you have such a great idea to fire Capers but how exactly does that make the team better this year?
Offline musccy  
#11 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:36:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stevegb Go to Quoted Post
We haven't been the same since Cullen Jenkins left, also I think when you lose a super star like Nick Collins your going to have to allow some time for one of the younger safeties to learn the ropes and become confident. I really like Burnett and Id like to see more of mcMillian, also it seemed Woody needed some time to grow into a safety.



What you said about the youth I think is the key point. I know this can be said of any team, but especially with the packers with a rookie converted lineman now responsible for coverage, along with a 2nd year lb, in addition to a lot of youth up front with Daniels and Worthy in the rotation it's not surprising that this unit isn't there yet.

Offline Pack93z  
#12 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:37:32 PM(UTC)
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I think if one looks at the defensive collapse and Burnett being on the field.. they are almost consistent... not blaming it on Burnett mind you.. but he has been on the field almost throughout the collapse filled with communication lapses. Coincidence?

He went down in 2010 and that defense improved. Think
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Rios39  
#13 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 5:45:03 PM(UTC)
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The run D started out ok but then gave up some big play. They were good about 80% of the time
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Offline neromich  
#14 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:04:54 PM(UTC)
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My thread was tongue and cheek from the gameday chat
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Offline neromich  
#15 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:06:46 PM(UTC)
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anyone see the problem with raji, pickett and wilson combining for 3 tackles and 3 assists
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Offline blueleopard  
#16 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:07:12 PM(UTC)
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Fire this guy. Fire that guy.

Who the hell do you replace one of the most respected defensive coaches in the NFL with? Go ahead and feed us some Bill Cowher bullshit.
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Offline agopackgo4  
#17 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:11:49 PM(UTC)
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Its really concerning to me...Just the fact that this defense looks exactly the same as last year. It was obviously terrible last season. But the pass defense (more than anything) is what is concerning. WR's wide open constantly. I don't understand how that can not improve. I don't care about what the Packers gave up in the run today. But Alex Smith rolling through the Packers D like he's Tom Brady concerns me. Because thats exactly what happened with bad QB's last year.
Offline Pack93z  
#18 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:41:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: agopackgo4 Go to Quoted Post
Its really concerning to me...Just the fact that this defense looks exactly the same as last year. It was obviously terrible last season. But the pass defense (more than anything) is what is concerning. WR's wide open constantly. I don't understand how that can not improve. I don't care about what the Packers gave up in the run today. But Alex Smith rolling through the Packers D like he's Tom Brady concerns me. Because thats exactly what happened with bad QB's last year.


The Packers were desperately trying to avoid the big plays over the top.. IMO, trying to protect the safeties. They gave up way to much cushion.. the days of the pressure coverage in GB is over for now.. and that tells me they don't trust the help over the top. Moss had them scared just being on the field. (BTW, Moss did everything but faint to avoid contact today... if I see that tape, I come up and stick him with a jamb every snap.)

I am really starting to think there is a weak link back there.. and I don't think it was Peprah.


I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:42:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: agopackgo4 Go to Quoted Post
Its really concerning to me...Just the fact that this defense looks exactly the same as last year. It was obviously terrible last season. But the pass defense (more than anything) is what is concerning. WR's wide open constantly. I don't understand how that can not improve. I don't care about what the Packers gave up in the run today. But Alex Smith rolling through the Packers D like he's Tom Brady concerns me. Because thats exactly what happened with bad QB's last year.


Covering Micheal Crabtree with a converted defensive end? Really?

That's right up there with moving Darryn Colledge out to LT against Jared Allen, Colledge's rookie year.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:42:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blueleopard Go to Quoted Post
Fire this guy. Fire that guy.

Who the hell do you replace one of the most respected defensive coaches in the NFL with? Go ahead and feed us some Bill Cowher bullshit.


Anyone who doesn't put a converted LB on Michael Crabtree.

I think someone hit Capers with the Lombardi trophy and gave him brain damage.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:11:07 PM(UTC)
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Sweet Jesus, who are you going to replace him with? What is changing the scheme mid-season going to do for production? When you have Jarrett Bush as your #2 corner, what miracle worker is going to turn the Packers D into a top 15 defense?

I'm glad I started out by envoking the lord's name, because I'm pretty sure he's the only person that could get the kind of production people are expecting out of the talent we have on the field. When House gets back, we'll be better. Until then, don't expect an amazing defense no matter who's coaching them.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:50:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tromadz Go to Quoted Post
Anyone who doesn't put a converted LB on Michael Crabtree.

I think someone hit Capers with the Lombardi trophy and gave him brain damage.


I, too, was amazed at how badly the Packers were out coached and the mismatches the 49'ers were able to exploit. Why the hell was Tramon Williams on the freakin' full back and Perry on the WR (or was it a tight end?). Things like that simply shouldn't happen, and yet they happened often. Hopefully this coaching staff is embarrassed, because they should be. Let's hope they actually do something about it, though.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:38:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I think if one looks at the defensive collapse and Burnett being on the field.. they are almost consistent... not blaming it on Burnett mind you.. but he has been on the field almost throughout the collapse filled with communication lapses. Coincidence?

He went down in 2010 and that defense improved. Think


Why won't people give credit to Nick Collins and his value to the secondary? No Collins no communication. BTW it was good seeing him as the honorary captain today for thr Packers.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 10:08:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Why won't people five credit to Nick Collins and his value to the secondary? No Collins no communication. BTW it was good seeing him as the honorary captain today for thr Packers.


I miss Nick Collins. Sure tackler and he was the fastest player on the field and after allowing big plays he'd instantly tackle them, or at least catch up and tackle whoever he had to tackle.

Last year's biggest problem was with tackling.

This year it really looks like not being able to adjust the scheme. Sure, we're only at one game, but when Capers first installed the defense we still had some 4-3 and bump and run. Now the defense is a fully fledged 3-4, it's become way too predictable.

Capers isn't mixing it up enough. Last year's SF defense had Aldon Smith with his hand on the ground and from an upright position, and I don't see why he's not using Nick Perry in such a way. Tramon Williams and Charles Woodson, and arguably even Jarrett Bush, were serviceable corners in man coverage, so I don't see why he's not playing to their strengths.
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#25 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:14:53 AM(UTC)
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When I watched the recorded game, I thought I seen a lot more pressure on the QB than in 2011. Does anyone have the sack totals and hurries and pressures and all that jizzy stuff?
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