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Offline Pack93z  
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:36:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
I got tired of the announcers harping on angry coaches, because we all know the coaches never got mad at the regular officials. Sarcasm

The lack of consistency is troubling. I don't mind late calls. The game's moving very fast, so they need time to react, but we need consistency. They weren't consistent in the Green Bay game. A couple of lucky plays and you could argue San Francisco was cheated out of a major road win had Green Bay came back.


Agreed... the overplay on the refs tardy calls or discussions were overboard. But Pieria was even more annoying... you had your chance to fix the bad calls. You failed.. now accept it and move on.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#32 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:41:44 PM(UTC)
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I had Sirius Radio on in the car. I listened to parts of both teams radio networks. Both were screaming at the poor calls and lack of consistency.
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#33 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:22:21 PM(UTC)
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I was strongly in the "These guys aren't that much worse than the regular officials and will get better with time." camp in the preseason.

I don't say this much, but I was wrong. Very, very wrong. This crew was absolutely pitiful, and the only positive thing I can say about them is that they were screwing both teams evenly.
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#34 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:32:03 PM(UTC)
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The Packers crew called more penalties than any other crew during the preseason.

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#35 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 2:25:03 AM(UTC)
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Worst refs ever. The block in the back call was atrocious.

They waived off a block in the back which never was and missed a blatant block in the back.

Both teams suffered.
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#36 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:14:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
I was strongly in the "These guys aren't that much worse than the regular officials and will get better with time." camp in the preseason.

I don't say this much, but I was wrong. Very, very wrong. This crew was absolutely pitiful, and the only positive thing I can say about them is that they were screwing both teams evenly.


IMO, yesterday's crew gave a great imitation of the Jeff Triplett crew.

Unfortunately.

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#37 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:41:31 AM(UTC)
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The NFL needs full time officials. Properly trained and coached. They should know the rules book inside out. They should be watching film and studying year around. At $90K+, they should have a waiting line of competent people.
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#38 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 9:50:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
The NFL needs full time officials. Properly trained and coached. They should know the rules book inside out. They should be watching film and studying year around. At $90K+, they should have a waiting line of competent people.


100% agreed.. then they can ask for benefits and a pension. Whistle

The issue is and will be, there simply isn't enough work to make that many employees full time with such a light workload over the course of 12 months.

What needs to happen IMO, is they need a deeper pool of refs to be able to pull in and make them more incentive based in compensation. Make an acceptable range of mistakes before you start getting docked pay and or sit for games without pay.

Also give them help in terms of a league office in which they can turn to within games for replays and questionable calls to turn to. They are human, and if we want them to be almost perfect, then we have to give them more than just there "human" eyes.

The replacement refs make a greater percentage of errors.. one cannot argue that, but the normal crews make a number of errors weekly as well.

It is human.
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Offline Cheesey  
#39 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 12:29:50 PM(UTC)
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Well....if the "real" refs needed any incentive as far as the NFL begging them to come back, yesterday should give them all the ammo they need.
I have NEVER seen a worse reffed game.
False starts by the niners not called, pass interference not called, the block in the back not called.
And the opening kickoff.....has anyone ever heard of an illegal block in the back by the kicking team?
It was AWFUL.
I know that even the real refs miss calls, but this was constant all day. I couldn't even count all of them.
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Offline Wade  
#40 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:05:45 PM(UTC)
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Read on PFT today that:

1. Jerry Markbreit opined (again) on how "Goodell doesn't care," etc.

but also

2. Ben Dreith thought the replacements were doing a good job.

Both were excellent officials, pretty much better than any of the replacements or any of today's locked-out officials. So if these two guys can't agree, I just can't get bothered by the lockout/replacements.

To be sure I'll complain if I see a game where they suck. But in a normal year, you can expect the Packer to get a couple more games with the Triplett and Hochuli crews, including some in the playoffs because of their seniority if nothing else. And it's pretty much guaranteed, therefore, that the Packers would have some games where the officiating sucked.

If all of these wonderful experienced NFL officials were as good as Markbreit and Dreith I'd be depressed about the loss.

But they weren't. So I'm not.
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#41 Posted : Saturday, September 22, 2012 3:11:33 PM(UTC)
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I like the scabs.

Fuck the "real" refs. I'll take the lumps. I don't think they are that bad, and the real refs are arrogant.

At the same time, I cannot believe that the commish is this cheap on behalf of the owners. The perception problem alone has to be more expensive than the bitch the refs have with the league.

I still like the scabs themselves. They're doing a pretty good job and this whole thing is being way over-hyped. Every call against a GB player is a complete bullshit call made by an incompetent ref since about 1960 imo, so why pay full union freight for 'em?

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Offline Wade  
#42 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:38:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed... the overplay on the refs tardy calls or discussions were overboard. But Pieria was even more annoying... you had your chance to fix the bad calls. You failed.. now accept it and move on.



Bumping this reply because...

I had occasion to be surfing thru Wikipedia sometime yesterday and discovered that Pereira was a working NFL official (as a side judge) only two years (1996 and 1997).

How about that? Fox has built him up as this great officiating sage...and he turns out to be...ahem ... a guy with little more on-field experience than the replacements.

(My gut cynically tells me that he's more a lawyer/bureaucrat/beancounter with schmoozing skills.)
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Offline gbguy20  
#43 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:15:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
I like the scabs.

Fuck the "real" refs. I'll take the lumps. I don't think they are that bad, and the real refs are arrogant.

At the same time, I cannot believe that the commish is this cheap on behalf of the owners. The perception problem alone has to be more expensive than the bitch the refs have with the league.

I still like the scabs themselves. They're doing a pretty good job and this whole thing is being way over-hyped. Every call against a GB player is a complete bullshit call made by an incompetent ref since about 1960 imo, so why pay full union freight for 'em?

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#44 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:17:27 PM(UTC)
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Yup. They only granted SF 5 timeouts. No biggie. They were perfect otherwise.. o.O
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