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Zero2Cool		#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:51:36 PM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		Quote: Originally Posted by: zombieslayer I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll be fine with that. Driver may have had more total drops last year than Jones, but Jones drops the important ones. Like last game, he dropped what should have been a TD pass. Driver caught a TD pass. Driver is also better with running after a catch and is fearless up the middle. Can you go through and show drop by drop the down and distance for the two? I'd be really interested in seeing those stats. Apparently zombieslayer knows this, but doesn't want to share it with us, so I'm asking you all ... what were the down and distance of the dropped passes for Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley and James Jones? If you could also note that the ball was dropped in the endzone that would be great too! None of this "well he was on the 10 yard line but would have scored" stuff because that's guessing, even if a fair assumption. I'd go to NFL.com and do this myself, but I'm working on the NFL Picks app for the site so I have little time to do so. Thanks to whomever does this.
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zombieslayer		#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:01:03 PM(UTC)
Rank: Most Valuable Player Posts: 9,919 Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC) Location: San Francisco Applause Given: 778 Applause Received: 495		If I had the stats for those, I'd definitely share them. I just remember what I saw. Wish I could find the stats though.
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Zero2Cool		#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:11:20 PM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		This is the best I could find on James Jones using ProFootballFocus.com Statistics: Targets-Rec-Yds(YAC)-TD-INT Zero2Cool attached the following image(s): JamesJones2011.jpg (83kb) downloaded 33 time(s). You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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nerdmann		#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:19:44 PM(UTC)
Rank: All Pro Posts: 5,909 Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC) Applause Given: 1,665 Applause Received: 392		Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool This is the best I could find on James Jones using ProFootballFocus.com Statistics: Targets-Rec-Yds(YAC)-TD-INT Interesting. When I think of JJ, I usually think of him along the sidelines. Here it shows most of his drops come down the middle. More over-the-shoulder catches on that part of the field? Maybe more jarring hits as well.
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Zero2Cool		#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:41:53 PM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		I think something similar was posted already, but anyhow... Zero2Cool attached the following image(s): Drops2011.jpg (59kb) downloaded 42 time(s). You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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play2win		#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:45:42 PM(UTC)
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mi_keys		#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:47:59 PM(UTC)
Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick Posts: 1,162 Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC) Applause Given: 87 Applause Received: 118		Originally Posted by: nerdmann Interesting. When I think of JJ, I usually think of him along the sidelines. Here it shows most of his drops come down the middle. More over-the-shoulder catches on that part of the field? Maybe more jarring hits as well. 4 of the 6 drops including 3 of the 4 down the middle were from 0 to 9 yards. I sincerely doubt those were over the shoulder as those were probably slants or button hooks or the like. Hits maybe played a factor. Maybe he didn't actually get hit but was afraid he would be? Could be the shorter time to track the ball. Then again, 6 drops over the course of the season is not a large enough sample size to make any statistically meaningful observations.
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Zero2Cool		#8 Posted : Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:38:11 AM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		Donald Driver - 8 drops in 2011 Punt - GB @ KC - 3-10-KC 49 (13:02) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Driver. Punt - GB @ KC - 2-10-GB 3 (2:47) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to 80-D.Driver. TD - GB @ CHI - 1-10-GB 40 (:43) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 80-D.Driver. FG - GB @ ATL - 3-5-ATL 39 (5:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver [90-L.Sidbury]. FG - SL @ GB - 3-3-GB 30 (10:28) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver. TD - MIN @ GB - 2-12-MIN 38 (15:00) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver. TD - OAK @ GB - 1-10-OAK 29 (5:42) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Driver. FG - DET @ GB - 2-7-DET 7 (6:41) 10-M.Flynn pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver. I grabbed each incomplete pass and compared it with the PFF chart for ball placement on drops. Edited by user Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:14:09 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Zero2Cool		#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:23:33 AM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		Going through the stats from 2011, James Jones did not drop more important passes than Donald Driver. That statement is unfounded. Trying to compile the stats for a post is too time consuming. To see yourself, check out NFL.com play-by-play. Attached is the WR and TE stats so far from ProFootballFocus.com Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley ... Zero2Cool attached the following image(s): Untitled-1.jpg (59kb) downloaded 14 time(s). You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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wpr		#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:31:46 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool		#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:14:50 AM(UTC)
Rank: Legend Posts: 24,641 Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC) Location: Green Bay, WI Applause Given: 1,641 Applause Received: 1,452		The NFL has 7 QB's with 15 or more drops. Aaron Rodgers has 17, Drew Brees has 19 and Brandon Weeden has 21! The only QB with 100+ rating is Peyton Manning who has 15+ drops. Three WR have more drops than Jordy Nelson who has 5. One TE has more drops than Jermichael Finely who has 5, as do Jimmy Graham and Brandon Pettigrew. Jason Witten leads TE with six drops. Randall Cobb and Donald Driver each have two drops. Driver has been targeted six times with three catches. OUCH! James Jones has 1 drop and leads the team with 5 TD's. No one else has more than 1 receiving TD.
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RajiRoar		#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:16:58 PM(UTC)
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Rockmolder		#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:45:04 AM(UTC)
Rank: Super Bowl MVP Posts: 6,296 Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC) Applause Given: 114 Applause Received: 174		Originally Posted by: RajiRoar I wanna see the dropped INTs Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away.



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zombieslayer		#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:48:43 AM(UTC)
Rank: Most Valuable Player Posts: 9,919 Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC) Location: San Francisco Applause Given: 778 Applause Received: 495		Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away. Yes. Had one of those INTs been caught, we'd probably be celebrating the win.
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PackFanWithTwins		#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:05:12 AM(UTC)
Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick Posts: 2,357 Joined: 9/26/2008(UTC) Applause Given: 10 Applause Received: 213		Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away. That is what is really irritating about this loss. Can't just point to one thing. Defense made plays, only for the offense not to capitalize. The offense scored and got in position only for Crosby to miss. And plays were made only to be nullified by penalties (bad ones a couple times).
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