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Offline Zero2Cool  
#51 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:29:49 PM(UTC)
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Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers were both outstanding on Sunday at Lambeau Field, but in a back-and-forth game with plenty of twists and turns, it was Rodgers’ Packers who ended up on top of Brees’ Saints, 28-27.

Brees completed 35 of 54 passes for 446 yards, with three touchdowns and no interceptions, but that wasn’t enough. Although he maneuvered them into range for an apparent go-ahead field goal late in the fourth quarter, the Saints’ successful kick was called back on a holding penalty, and when they were backed up the Saints missed.

Rodgers completed 31 of 41 passes for 319 yards, with four touchdowns and one interception, and a short completion on a third down just after the two-minute warning iced the game and gave the Packers the win.

For the second consecutive week, the Packers suffered at the hands of bad officiating. Last week it was the infamous Hail Mary in Seattle that wrongly gave the Seahawks a touchdown and likely led to the end of the NFL’s lockout of its referees. This week there are no replacements to blame, just longtime ref Jeff Triplette and his crew, who botched several calls, including a fumble by Saints kickoff returner Darren Sproles that they wrongly ruled down by contact, and a push-off in the end zone by Saints receiver Marques Colston on a touchdown catch that should have been called back for offensive pass interference.

But this time the bad officiating didn’t cost the Packers the game, and they improved to 2-2. The Saints fought hard, but in the end they lost once again, falling to 0-4.
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#52 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:33:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
When you turn the ball over, you don't get to punt.


And one of those was due to our backup quarterback tripping on a hand off. If Rodgers doesn't go out we score 31 or 35 points on only one turnover. The offense passed and ran effectively today. We still have too many drops and Rodgers hasn't yet hit his form from last year but today was a lot better.

The defense did very well today in the run game. The pass defense was shit though. I was actually more confident in 3rd and short than in 3rd and long. Our pass rush which had been pretty good the first three weeks completely disappeared. I think the young guys in the secondary are generally playing well enough. They need to clean up the miscommunications but if we can get the pass rush back the way it was before today then I'm confident we can slow down a good offense. We absolutely HAVE to get a pass rush though.
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#53 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:42:17 PM(UTC)
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dear offense,

welcome back. now keep it up.

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Offline dfosterf  
#54 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:43:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Offensively, minus the two turnovers... was about the perfectly called game.

One Turnover was Rodger trying to fit one in there.. some were asking for that, taking chances.. he took several today.

My only real complaint outside of the officials, was we should not play zone anymore until we can handle playing one... boy was that some ugly zone play. I get it, they fear the tightends.. but my goodness... learn how to play zone effectively. Even Woodson vacated his place... either that or several screwed up.

But again.. this was a decent game for the offense, look for more next week.

The defense.. stay in simple coverages.. can't handle complex zones yet.




Fuck that zone. We are Wisconsinites. Any Minnesota resident will be more than happy to tell you that we can't handle complicated shit. Hat on a hat. Fuck zone.

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Offline gbguy20  
#55 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:46:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
Fuck that zone. We are Wisconsinites. Any Minnesota resident will be more than happy to tell you that we can't handle complicated shit. Hat on a hat. Fuck zone.



i like the way u think.
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Offline Porforis  
#56 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:32:45 PM(UTC)
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Things I liked:
Jones and Finley continuing to play at a high level after a disappointing year last year (Especially Finley). Finley had a drop, but it wasn't a super easy one. Jones' miracle catch at the end was pretty sweet too, albeit unneccesary with the penalty

The playcalling. Mike seemed to do a 180 from what killed us on offense in the first half last week, and seemed to have a great mix of runs inside, outside, screens, slants, and deep shots. While it paid off in the end, wasn't a fan of the 4th and 1 fake punt but I do like that it's going to make other teams paranoid with all the trick plays we've been running. How long before we see the surprise onside kick?

Rodgers making better decisions, and not getting squirrely under pressure. He did get a LOT better protection, but when he sensed pressure he always seemed to know where his out was. When he did scramble, they were good decisions or designed runs.

Cedric Benson. I admit I was too hard on Grant, but Benson is an example of just what we were missing. He seems to make great reads and makes a gut, runs low and drives for what he can get. So far he's avoided fumbling problems and has even made a few good catches. I haven't paid close attention to him in pass protection so I can't comment there.
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#57 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:39:35 PM(UTC)
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Just don't fumble Cedric.

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#58 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:40:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Things I liked:
Jones and Finley continuing to play at a high level after a disappointing year last year (Especially Finley). Finley had a drop, but it wasn't a super easy one. Jones' miracle catch at the end was pretty sweet too, albeit unneccesary with the penalty.



I raged today when the announcers called it a drop twice, and im going to rage again right now. When a defender has a hand in between the ball and the receivers chest and is able to knock the ball of out their hands, it is NOT A FUCKING DROP. It's bullshit like this that is giving an unfair bad reputation to certain players.
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Offline olds70supreme  
#59 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:41:24 PM(UTC)
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I'm glad that...
the Pack got a win today.
Rodgers looked like his old self again.
Benson ran tough.
the defense didn't give up/self completely self destruct after some bad calls.
Cobb, Jones, and even Finley stepped up and performed well.
Jimmy Graham didn't light us up.

I wasn't too happy about...
the third and forevers that the Saints converted.
how the middle of the field seems to be a safety zone for opposing receivers.
the blown coverages.
Woodson's composure (or lack thereof) after being taken down by a blocker after the play.
how it seemed to me that the d-line was not getting anywhere near the push that they had in the Bears or Seattle game.
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Offline Porforis  
#60 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:43:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
I raged today when the announcers called it a drop twice, and im going to rage again right now. When a defender has a hand in between the ball and the receivers chest and is able to knock the ball of out their hands, it is NOT A FUCKING DROP. It's bullshit like this that is giving an unfair bad reputation to certain players.


On that particular play, Finley would have likely caught the ball without the defender's hand in there. However, the only reason why I called it a drop (I'd call it a half drop if such a thing existed) is because he juggled it a bit first, if he would have caught it cleanly and pulled it in, the defender's hand wouldn't have mattered.
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#61 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:51:36 PM(UTC)
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Capers isn't doing it for me, btw.

Fuck that 3 man rush. HELLO?

IT DON'T WORK. IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE YOU GOT HERE.

We give this man too much slack because of the previous suckage, winning a SB, and his rep.

THE SHIT STILL SUCKS, and he doesn't change it, and our opponents notice.

imo


BRING THE HEAT, Dom.

He may be geezin'.

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#62 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:11:58 PM(UTC)
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Fact - every time Dom Capers calls the 3-man rush, an angel falls down from Heaven.
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Offline Porforis  
#63 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:14:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Fact - every time Dom Capers calls the 3-man rush, an angel falls down from Heaven.


I think that's the idea, however he's still trying to get the angel to fall on the other team's quarterback.
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Offline nerdmann  
#64 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:19:42 PM(UTC)
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Brees ate us alive at times today, but overall Capers' scheme worked.

Would have looked even better had we gotten one of those INTs Brees offered up.
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#65 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:25:14 PM(UTC)
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I'd rather get toasted bringing something like the 46 d. This passive prevent crap is aggravating.

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Offline zombieslayer  
#66 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:29:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
I'd rather get toasted bringing something like the 46 d. This passive prevent crap is aggravating.



Agreed.

If you're going to err, err on the side of being aggressive, not passive.
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Offline porky88  
#67 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:55:07 PM(UTC)
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The offense was brilliant. That was about as textbook as it gets. They ran the ball well enough (102 yards) and Rodgers delivered in key moments. I was impressed with Rodgers’ patience and McCarthy’s play calling. Rodgers didn’t get greedy, which results in him holding onto the football. He utilized the short-passing game and established a strong rapport with his wide receivers in the early stages.

Let’s not overlook that Green Bay was on the verge of blowing this thing open before Rodgers hurt his eye. That’s about as fluke of an injury as it gets.

I just can’t get a grasp on this defense, though. First, I don't understand Green Bay's reliance on zone coverage. The Packers are much better playing man coverage. Capers must lack confidence in his young secondary matching up with New Orleans' receiving core. But veteran quarterbacks consistently carve Green Bay’s zone coverage apart. Brees’ performance was very similar to last season’s game. He beat the Packers zone coverage by attacking the middle of the field. This is the exact same thing Kurt Warner did to Green Bay in the 2009 wild card round. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m wondering if ego (or pride) is at play here.

In addition, the lack of adjustments with this team is frustrating. Last week, McCarthy was late in adjusting the offensive game plan. This week, Green Bay refused to play more man coverage. This wasn’t the same style we witnessed the previous two games. Unfortunately, they won't win the Super Bowl this way.
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#68 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:03:39 PM(UTC)
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Zone is a bad system to play against elite qbs. The defense performs very well playing under man.

You aren't going to shut the saints down though, they will move the ball and put up yards against any defense. You can only minimize the damage and for the most part we did that. The long td was the only thing that really bothered me. We need to stop playing this amount of zone though. It will not work vs good qbs
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#69 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 6:56:52 AM(UTC)
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Have we even played significant amounts of man this year? Man has served us well in the past, but keep in mind that we're down a reliable safety in Collins, Woodson is getting older and beyond Tramon Williams, I don't think we've actually seen anybody but Jarrett Bush play man. Hell, it might work good and I'd like to see MORE man, but I'm not sure the Saints are a team you test that against. And if you take away the blown coverage resulting in a TD, turn that push-off in the endzone for a TD into a FG, and we get ONE of the two easy INTs, all of a sudden this doesn't look like such a bad game on defense. The numbers suck and we're not where we need to be, but I think we're a lot closer than some people realize.
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#70 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 7:00:11 AM(UTC)
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Yep. And you didn't even mention the fumble which wasn't which was.
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#71 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 7:03:14 AM(UTC)
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Packers gave up two turnovers against the Saints. The Graham Harrell fumble and the Aaron Rodgers interception and they still won. You might think this game wasn't pretty, but when you include the turnovers, the blatant miss calls by the referee's, the Packers did something yesterday they haven't done under Mike McCarthy before ... won a game after losing the turnover battle. (I'm basing that off what McCarthy said as my source)


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I had to run and hug Tramon because he really saved me. I kind of put us in a bad position there getting that personal foul. But, that’s why it’s also a team game, and my teammates stepped up for me, and I’d do the same thing.


Why is it so difficult to just own up and say "I put us" instead of "I kind of put us" in a bad position? There is no KIND OF about it, you did! This soft sense of accountability is kind of annoying.

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#72 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 7:40:18 AM(UTC)
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Ok, so I had to work and missed the game but watched the highlights. I found a d/l of the game though so I'm going to watch it tonight. Anything "nice" and/or outside the obvious I should be watching out for?
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I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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#73 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 7:41:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
Zone is a bad system to play against elite qbs.


I would modify that statement.. a zone defense behind a weak pass rush is vulnerable and a elite QB is going to find the soft spots in the zones. The Packers issues in zone were exposed to a greater emphasis because we were not effective up front in the pass rush. The Saints line deserves the credit there.. they were stoning most of it physically. Matthews and others on more than one occasion were getting man handled.

A zone defense can be very effective if properly run with good disciplined and communication.

We are lacking one or the other at times in this defense.. this can be seen, for example, when Williams right before the snap calls out a change in the coverage, however completely missed and leaving a guy coming across the middle all alone.

There were many times, to me, that guys were out of position leaving gaping holes in the short zones. Whose fault is hard to tell because we don't know the coverage responsibilities, but that can't happen and expect success.

My opinion, is Capers, when facing a team with good tight end talent shifts to zone to try and protect the backers from ending up in singled up coverage. In the second half they adjusted out of it some and played a blend. Even then, we seen guys dragging the middle and finding success.. so it was not all scheme. The Saints have the talent to move the ball.. they did.

Another factor I think is Capers and company wanted to see how the game was going to be called in terms of contact down field.. to me, there was still a good amount of contact being allowed. It will be interesting to see how other crews call it.. and how the Packers react.

Summary from pre-game comments in another thread, the offense will hit is stride because of the enforcement of the rules.. and the defense will revert. We are a man team on defense.. that is what we do and do well. Especially with young players sprinkled in at Safety.. yes even Morgan is still young, I think zone might be a work in process during the regular season, but they need to employ it and work on it, because come playoff time, it may be needed. That is of course if we make the Playoffs.
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#74 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:33:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Fact - every time Dom Capers calls the 3-man rush, an angel falls down from Heaven.


Awesome!!! Well done.

On that note, I lost my voice in that game last night. We were 18 rows up from the corner of the end zone where the officials failed to throw a flag for offensive PI on the Colston TD in the 1st Quarter. Screamed boo as loud and as long as humanly possible, along with everyone else in the stands, and from there, it was on.

Those officials sucked, entirely. Piss poor calls through the entire game. Tripplet has called some really bad games for us historically. Yesterday was no different.

When the third try on the NO FG went wide left, it was a thing of beauty. Providence, the Green Bay Packers and the football gods won.
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#75 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:38:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TwinkieGorilla Go to Quoted Post
Ok, so I had to work and missed the game but watched the highlights. I found a d/l of the game though so I'm going to watch it tonight. Anything "nice" and/or outside the obvious I should be watching out for?


You know what Twinkie, check out Benson's runs. He is so, so very close to busting some wide open. He could have easily went over 100 yds if he had. Also, look at the Jordy reception they overruled on replay. Unbelievable. Might want to check their DL for holding, cuz none of the officials did...

Somehow, we still won. What a battle. Like we were fighting both NO and the NFL Officials. Two on one and we still beat them.

Enjoy.
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