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Offline Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:36:18 AM(UTC)
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I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble f*%&ing ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that, all but for one rake of the eyes, kept Rodgers clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving over hyped package as a QB solely?
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#22 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:52:48 AM(UTC)
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble fucking ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that all but one rake of the eyes clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving package as a QB?


People like figureheads and a leader to follow, and someone to blame if things go sour and love if things go well. I liken the QB position relative to the rest of the team to the position of President relative to the rest of the government. Very important, most important single position on the team, a lot of power (and in this case, playcalling abilities) over the offense as a whole but ultimately reliant on the performance of those around him. When things go good or at least not terribly bad (Clinton), presidents get most of the credit. When things go sour (Bush II, Obama), presidents get most of the blame.
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#23 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:56:52 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Matt Ryan has more 4th quarter comebacks than Aaron Rodgers.


Aaron Rodgers has more games that he won and didn't have to come from behind.
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#24 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:20:04 AM(UTC)
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PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers has more games that he won and didn't have to come from behind.


While Rodgers needs to play better when he IS behind, some of the statistics floated out there seem a lot worse than they actually are when you take into account how insane our offense was in 15 of the 16 games in the regular season last year. That's an entire year when we weren't in a position where we needed to come from behind.
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#25 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:34:58 AM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
To be quite honest, I could care less about 4th Q comebacks. I personally HATE nailbiters. I want us to beat the team we're playing by 35 pts and go into halftime with a 21 pt lead.

Then I want to go into the SB as 14 pt favorites and win by 40 pts. That would be my ideal year. None of this close game bullshit.

Tim Tebow was getting so much credit last year for comebacks but I kept saying, "where was he in the first 3 Qs? Apparently doing nothing."

If we win the rest of the games this year by 20+ pts and Aaron Rodgers doesn't get a single comeback attached to his name, awesome.


It's funny how some people think by saying Aaron Rodgers doesn't have many 4th quarter comebacks is a dig at Aaron Rodgers. It's just a fact, that is all. A good quarterback shouldn't have to come from behind to win.

I'm with Paulie on the dislike of close games. Cardiac Pack? Fuck that! I want the game sealed in favor of the Packers by halftime!
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#26 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:50:38 AM(UTC)
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble f*%&ing ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that, all but for one rake of the eyes, kept Rodgers clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving over hyped package as a QB solely?


Hey Pack93z - I can guarantee that as much as you hate QBs, musicians feel even worse about singers.
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#27 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:55:45 AM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Hey Pack93z - I can guarantee that as much as you hate QBs, musicians feel even worse about singers.


To be clear.. I don't hate the people themselves. Just the position. I would imagine that Singers vary in how much they steal the show. Maybe not.. never put in the time to learn how to play an instrument past the trombone because I had to for school.

I would rather invest my limited free time on the farm lifting, running and playing pickup games.

Seems like a lifetime ago.. maybe because it was.. lol.

Funny how some things carry with you.
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I thought football was a team sport?
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#29 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 10:49:11 AM(UTC)
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Interesting article.

I don't think we can hold that Arizona loss against him. It is widely recognized that there should have been a flag on that play.

Quote:
Rodgers has thrown a pick six, and of course lost a fumble that was returned for a game-losing touchdown in overtime of his first playoff game in Arizona.


And what's up with THIS? We went 15-1 last year, because of the DEFENSE!? Really?

Quote:
They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.


I only started this thread, because of all the Skip Bayless types who want to throw shit in Rodgers' face. Dude has the best third down %age in league history. He's money, imo.

One thing the article does NOT tell us is Rodgers' QB rating in those situations. Take all the "comeback" 4th quarter scenarios and calculate Rodgers' QB rating. That should control for such factors as defensive shit suckage, although perhaps not for drops and bad calls, the latter of which seems to be a significant issue for the Packers, moreso than other teams.

One negative I will attribute to Rodgers is that his receivers ALL teem to have trouble catching his passes consistently, for whatever reason.
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