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Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:36:18 AM(UTC)
I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble f*%&ing ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that, all but for one rake of the eyes, kept Rodgers clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving over hyped package as a QB solely?
Porforis  
#22 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:52:48 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble fucking ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that all but one rake of the eyes clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving package as a QB?


People like figureheads and a leader to follow, and someone to blame if things go sour and love if things go well. I liken the QB position relative to the rest of the team to the position of President relative to the rest of the government. Very important, most important single position on the team, a lot of power (and in this case, playcalling abilities) over the offense as a whole but ultimately reliant on the performance of those around him. When things go good or at least not terribly bad (Clinton), presidents get most of the credit. When things go sour (Bush II, Obama), presidents get most of the blame.
PackerTraxx  
#23 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 8:56:52 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Matt Ryan has more 4th quarter comebacks than Aaron Rodgers.


Aaron Rodgers has more games that he won and didn't have to come from behind.
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Porforis  
#24 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:20:04 AM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers has more games that he won and didn't have to come from behind.


While Rodgers needs to play better when he IS behind, some of the statistics floated out there seem a lot worse than they actually are when you take into account how insane our offense was in 15 of the 16 games in the regular season last year. That's an entire year when we weren't in a position where we needed to come from behind.
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Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:34:58 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
To be quite honest, I could care less about 4th Q comebacks. I personally HATE nailbiters. I want us to beat the team we're playing by 35 pts and go into halftime with a 21 pt lead.

Then I want to go into the SB as 14 pt favorites and win by 40 pts. That would be my ideal year. None of this close game bullshit.

Tim Tebow was getting so much credit last year for comebacks but I kept saying, "where was he in the first 3 Qs? Apparently doing nothing."

If we win the rest of the games this year by 20+ pts and Aaron Rodgers doesn't get a single comeback attached to his name, awesome.


It's funny how some people think by saying Aaron Rodgers doesn't have many 4th quarter comebacks is a dig at Aaron Rodgers. It's just a fact, that is all. A good quarterback shouldn't have to come from behind to win.

I'm with Paulie on the dislike of close games. Cardiac Pack? Fuck that! I want the game sealed in favor of the Packers by halftime!
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zombieslayer  
#26 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:50:38 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I freaking hate the QB position... truly hate it.

Who is elite. 4th Quarter Comebacks. Not clutch. Ramble f*%&ing ramble... on and on.

They are not shit without players around them. Simply put.

The gushing from Aikman yesterday.. I wanted to rip the microphone from his hands and beat him with the damn thing.

What about Jones.. Nelson, Finley catching the damn ball. What about Benson knocking heads all day and forcing the Saints to play the run first. What about the five guys up front that, all but for one rake of the eyes, kept Rodgers clean yesterday. What about the defense stoning the Saints from inside the 5 yard line with 3 cracks at it.

Rodgers didn't win that game yesterday.. tying his name to a comeback is a insult to the rest of the team.

People wonder why I hate the QB position.. this thread brings it to a climax.

The game of football does not revolve around the QB.. it just doesn't.

4th quarter comebacks.. what a bunch of media spun bullshit.

Why do we feel the need to wrap up this beautiful game into a small little undeserving over hyped package as a QB solely?


Hey Pack93z - I can guarantee that as much as you hate QBs, musicians feel even worse about singers.
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Pack93z  
#27 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:55:45 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Hey Pack93z - I can guarantee that as much as you hate QBs, musicians feel even worse about singers.


To be clear.. I don't hate the people themselves. Just the position. I would imagine that Singers vary in how much they steal the show. Maybe not.. never put in the time to learn how to play an instrument past the trombone because I had to for school.

I would rather invest my limited free time on the farm lifting, running and playing pickup games.

Seems like a lifetime ago.. maybe because it was.. lol.

Funny how some things carry with you.
Yerko  
#28 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 9:56:36 AM(UTC)
I thought football was a team sport?
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Zero2Cool  
#29 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 10:49:11 AM(UTC)
nerdmann  
#30 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 1:00:38 PM(UTC)


Interesting article.

I don't think we can hold that Arizona loss against him. It is widely recognized that there should have been a flag on that play.

Quote:
Rodgers has thrown a pick six, and of course lost a fumble that was returned for a game-losing touchdown in overtime of his first playoff game in Arizona.


And what's up with THIS? We went 15-1 last year, because of the DEFENSE!? Really?

Quote:
They did go 15-1 last year (expected: 11.9), but that was more due to the defense shutting teams down late rather than the offense making critical scoring drives when they had to.


I only started this thread, because of all the Skip Bayless types who want to throw shit in Rodgers' face. Dude has the best third down %age in league history. He's money, imo.

One thing the article does NOT tell us is Rodgers' QB rating in those situations. Take all the "comeback" 4th quarter scenarios and calculate Rodgers' QB rating. That should control for such factors as defensive shit suckage, although perhaps not for drops and bad calls, the latter of which seems to be a significant issue for the Packers, moreso than other teams.

One negative I will attribute to Rodgers is that his receivers ALL teem to have trouble catching his passes consistently, for whatever reason.
Zero2Cool  
#31 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 1:07:11 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
One negative I will attribute to Rodgers is that his receivers ALL teem to have trouble catching his passes consistently, for whatever reason.


This isn't a Packers issues alone, its an NFL issue, same with tackling. He does not get a pass on this.
nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 1:22:11 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
This isn't a Packers issues alone, its an NFL issue, same with tackling. He does not get a pass on this.


If it's happening with other teams, then maybe it's the balls they're using.

Don't they have a new rule now where you can't break the balls in before the game or something? Or is that just the K-Ball?
Zero2Cool  
#33 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 1:32:58 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
If it's happening with other teams, then maybe it's the balls they're using.

Don't they have a new rule now where you can't break the balls in before the game or something? Or is that just the K-Ball?


Offenses are allowed to break in 'their balls' pregame, but the kicking K-Ball is not. That's at least to what I got from Aaron Rodgers comments last week.

Wiki - While NFL teams are allowed to practice with regular game balls, a "K" Ball is the term used by special teams for a brand new ball, not used until kickoff - hence the term K-Ball.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/...all_in_NFL#ixzz2857V7SJn
nyrpack  
#34 Posted : Monday, October 1, 2012 5:34:30 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
You're the one who made the goddamn post, and now you're changing your own subject. Sit down.

I'm simply saying what Rodgers did today wasn't all that great. It wouldn't even be a comeback if he didn't throw that bonehead interception.

Ryan led his team well within FG range with no timeouts. So he forced it to his bigplay WR. At least he had the balls to take a chance. With Rodgers you'll just see him running around, waiting to get raped by Bruce Irvin.

I'm not at all saying that Ryan is the better QB. Rodgers is, by far. But taking a lead with 8 minutes left to do so is far from qualifying as a clutch score. Much needed, but not clutch. Clutch is when you simply take the game away. Ryan and Brady did it today. Even Griffin did it today. We've also seen Brett doing it for more than a decade.

Aaron's two only clutch wins came against Chicago on that pass to Jennings and the :58 second drive that led to Crosby beating NYG last year.


you dont need to be clutch, as far as last year because he buried teams from the get go, ill take 15-1 over clutch comebacks anytime !!
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blueleopard  
#35 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 1:59:29 AM(UTC)
Game-winning drives are a notch on every quarterback's belt because, simply put, they prove you're clutch.

You're down by five with 1:37 remaining at your own 17 on 3rd and 12. The QB is the one calling the shots. He is the one rallying his troops to give their team the final chance at victory. None of that crap in the past 3 quarters matters.

It's the same as getting into the post-season. Once you're in, the shit that you did in the regular season goes out the window.

With your back up against the wall, which QB do you want to lead your team?

Rodgers is getting there. Brees, Brady, Manning. They all have that.

Even with the odds of a pick, I'll still take Favre.

Take your 15-1 seasons. If I went 9-7 and won the Super Bowl, I'll take that instead.
nerdmann  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:27:21 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
Game-winning drives are a notch on every quarterback's belt because, simply put, they prove you're clutch.

You're down by five with 1:37 remaining at your own 17 on 3rd and 12. The QB is the one calling the shots. He is the one rallying his troops to give their team the final chance at victory. None of that crap in the past 3 quarters matters.

It's the same as getting into the post-season. Once you're in, the shit that you did in the regular season goes out the window.

With your back up against the wall, which QB do you want to lead your team?

Rodgers is getting there. Brees, Brady, Manning. They all have that.

Even with the odds of a pick, I'll still take Favre.

Take your 15-1 seasons. If I went 9-7 and won the Super Bowl, I'll take that instead.


So let's say your QB goes 15-1 and has a good team, so he's not in position to have many comeback opportunities. How do you judge whether he's clutch?

Best third down %age in the history of the game might be of interest.
PackFanWithTwins  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:46:05 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
So let's say your QB goes 15-1 and has a good team, so he's not in position to have many comeback opportunities. How do you judge whether he's clutch?

Best third down %age in the history of the game might be of interest.


This has been a point that drives me nuts.

Eli is so clutch because he has so many 4th qtr comebacks and Rodgers doesn't.

Well, I ask, why does Eli always need to comeback in the first place? Isn't it better to be ahead so you don't need to come back? Almost 37% of Eli's wins are comebacks. I think I would prefer crappy comeback count and be able to watch from the side or hand the ball off to eat clock to preserve the win.
Zero2Cool  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:56:01 AM(UTC)
Sure, Eli Manning is a clutch QB, I'm fine with that. As nerdmann would say, he's got 2 'rings'.

I'd rather have a QB who dominates all four quarters than just shows up for the fourth.


And yet some people still think its a swipe at Aaron Rodgers because he's not clutch or doesn't have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks ... I dunno.

Eli Manning
W 69 L 50 .580

Aaron Rodgers
W 41 L 21 .661

Shrug
nerdmann  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:58:04 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Sure, Eli Manning is a clutch QB, I'm fine with that. As nerdmann would say, he's got 2 'rings'.

I'd rather have a QB who dominates all four quarters than just shows up for the fourth.


And yet some people still think its a swipe at Aaron Rodgers because he's not clutch or doesn't have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks ... I dunno.

Eli Manning
W 69 L 50 .580

Aaron Rodgers
W 41 L 21 .661

Shrug


Eli's overrated, imo. BUT, he does have two rings.

I'd consider him over Peyton, but then again I'm crazy.
zombieslayer  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:49:26 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Eli's overrated, imo. BUT, he does have two rings.

I'd consider him over Peyton, but then again I'm crazy.


Peyton is better in regular season. Eli is way better in post-season. Brett Favre has a better record than Peyton in post-season because Favre can carry a team on his back (or lose a game all by himself). Peyton can't do that.

Eli is clutch in post-season. I hate the guy. But historically, he has been clutch in post-season.

Now if you look at Aaron Rodgers in post-season, he's 4-2 so far. The first game he lost, he had a 121.4 rating, which should have been good enough for a win in 99% of Playoff games. Problem was, our D stunk and allowed Kurt Warner to have a similar performance.

2010 of course we won a SB and Aaron got SB MVP.

2011, he laid down a turd against the Giants. But so did Brett. I think the Giants have our number in post-season. Today's Giants are our Cows of the 90s. If we're gonna win it all, it's best if we avoid playing them.
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