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Zero2Cool  
#41 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:56:51 AM(UTC)
Aaron Rodgers vs Giants at Lambeau
26 completions out of 46 attempts for %56.5 and 264 yards with 2 TD's and 1 INT while being sacked 4 times. I think the Packers had something like six drops too. Ugh. Drops.

I suppose its 'turd' if you compare to his previous 15 starts, lol. The INT was late in the game when it was already over, right?


Side Point... catching and tackling ... two of the three most important tasks in football and yet it seems they are lacking widespread in the NFL. Sad.
zombieslayer  
#42 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 12:27:26 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers vs Giants at Lambeau
26 completions out of 46 attempts for %56.5 and 264 yards with 2 TD's and 1 INT while being sacked 4 times. I think the Packers had something like six drops too. Ugh. Drops.

I suppose its 'turd' if you compare to his previous 15 starts, lol. The INT was late in the game when it was already over, right?


Side Point... catching and tackling ... two of the three most important tasks in football and yet it seems they are lacking widespread in the NFL. Sad.


I think 7 drops. And yes, Aaron Rodgers would have had a significantly higher passer rating had his receivers actually CAUGHT THE FREAKING BALL. But goes to show, it's a team sport.

Anyways, we agree on my original point - I could care less about 4th Q comebacks. I'd rather have a TEAM that blows away opponents and doesn't leave games to either the Kicker or the refs.
Porforis  
#43 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 12:32:58 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
I think 7 drops. And yes, Aaron Rodgers would have had a significantly higher passer rating had his receivers actually CAUGHT THE FREAKING BALL. But goes to show, it's a team sport.

Anyways, we agree on my original point - I could care less about 4th Q comebacks. I'd rather have a TEAM that blows away opponents and doesn't leave games to either the Kicker or the refs.


I think we might be twins separated at birth.
porky88  
#44 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 1:28:02 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Peyton is better in regular season. Eli is way better in post-season. Brett Favre has a better record than Peyton in post-season because Favre can carry a team on his back (or lose a game all by himself). Peyton can't do that.

I recall the 2006 AFC Championship relying on Peyton's shoulders. I also recall several performances against the Broncos and Chiefs in which he had to put up monster numbers. He tore the Jets defense apart in the 2009 AFC Championship. They're plenty of examples of Peyton carrying a team on his back. Is he the best QB ever? I don't think so, but he's one of the best ever, and that's pretty telling.
nerdmann  
#45 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:29:28 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I recall the 2006 AFC Championship relying on Peyton's shoulders. I also recall several performances against the Broncos and Chiefs in which he had to put up monster numbers. He tore the Jets defense apart in the 2009 AFC Championship. They're plenty of examples of Peyton carrying a team on his back. Is he the best QB ever? I don't think so, but he's one of the best ever, and that's pretty telling.


I've always looked at Peyton and Eli as their father's "revenge" on the NFL. Archie was a great QB, but he was stuck on a team that was never going to go anywhere.

Partially for this reason, I think Peyton wants it just a little too badly. I think he has a tendency to overprepare and thus, psych himself out.
zombieslayer  
#46 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:45:34 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I recall the 2006 AFC Championship relying on Peyton's shoulders. I also recall several performances against the Broncos and Chiefs in which he had to put up monster numbers. He tore the Jets defense apart in the 2009 AFC Championship. They're plenty of examples of Peyton carrying a team on his back. Is he the best QB ever? I don't think so, but he's one of the best ever, and that's pretty telling.


Several of the best QBs ever are still in the NFL - our Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning. But Manning's had a very long career and only one ring. If Aaron Rodgers plays as long as Manning and only produces one ring, he'd be a letdown.
Zero2Cool  
#47 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:54:24 PM(UTC)
It sure isn't any shocker that some of the all time best quarterbacks are still actively playing in this massively offensive rule driven league, now is it?

LET THEM PLAY!!
zombieslayer  
#48 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:37:06 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
It sure isn't any shocker that some of the all time best quarterbacks are still actively playing in this massively offensive rule driven league, now is it?

LET THEM PLAY!!


That's true. I sincerely doubt Tom Brady or everyone's favorite Peyton Manning would be as good if they played in the Bart Starr era.

Brett Favre would be the same. Ben Rothlisburger would be the same. Those two guys are the two toughest QBs today.

Brees would be the same because even Aaron Rodgers admits that Brees' work ethic is the top of the top.
Akexpat  
#49 Posted : Wednesday, October 3, 2012 3:59:46 AM(UTC)
for me, this quote from Rodgers is golden "I've had plenty of game-winning drives in the second and third quarters."

Personally, I could use less stress in the forth after an era of #4 in the wee hours of the morning, especially after the last 2 weeks of nail biters.

but to put it into perspective maybe, we saw the backup take the field and literally trip over himself at the goal line, I would personally like to see the D wrap up games and the Offense score +30 a game. That way I could relax and enjoy the game, but as a Packers fan for the last 30 years has taught me, that probably will never happen.
Zero2Cool  
#50 Posted : Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:18:34 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
That's true. I sincerely doubt Tom Brady or everyone's favorite Peyton Manning would be as good if they played in the Bart Starr era.

Brett Favre would be the same. Ben Rothlisburger would be the same. Those two guys are the two toughest QBs today.

Brees would be the same because even Aaron Rodgers admits that Brees' work ethic is the top of the top.


I think if Brett Favre started playing 10-12 years later, he'd be unanimously considered the best quarterback off all time. He took major risks and in this league now, those risks are heavily rewarded. My lord, can you imagine that?? I think 50 TD's would damn near be the norm for him, especially with pass happy McCarthy.
zombieslayer  
#51 Posted : Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:11:46 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I think if Brett Favre started playing 10-12 years later, he'd be unanimously considered the best quarterback off all time. He took major risks and in this league now, those risks are heavily rewarded. My lord, can you imagine that?? I think 50 TD's would damn near be the norm for him, especially with pass happy McCarthy.


Didn't think of that. That's probably true.
RaiderPride  
#52 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:59:17 AM(UTC)
This article is three months old. Not sure if anyone posted it here, but I found it an interesting read.

If you have nothing else to do this fine Saturday here is a read for you.

http://www.coldhardfootb...nt-fourth-quarter/15278/
yooperfan  
#53 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:25:58 PM(UTC)
Thanks RP.
It is a good, if somewhat disturbing, read.
PackFanWithTwins  
#54 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:13:30 AM(UTC)
RaiderPride said: Go to Quoted Post
This article is three months old. Not sure if anyone posted it here, but I found it an interesting read.

If you have nothing else to do this fine Saturday here is a read for you.

http://www.coldhardfootb...nt-fourth-quarter/15278/


Some people are trying to hard to make Rodgers out to be a bad QB. Why do they ignore facts like Eli (mr clutch of today) almost 40% of his career wins have been comebacks? Rodgers <20%. Why is that? To me it seems like Eli is consistenlty behind teams they should be beating. Where Rodgers beats and/or is playing from ahead against those teams. Leaving Rodgers comeback chances against tougher competition overall.
PackerTraxx  
#55 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:17:32 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Some people are trying to hard to make Rodgers out to be a bad QB. Why do they ignore facts like Eli (mr clutch of today) almost 40% of his career wins have been comebacks? Rodgers <20%. Why is that? To me it seems like Eli is consistenlty behind teams they should be beating. Where Rodgers beats and/or is playing from ahead against those teams. Leaving Rodgers comeback chances against tougher competition overall.


That's why comebacks are over rated. If you play well to begin with, you don't need to come back.
Porforis  
#56 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:26:17 AM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
That's why comebacks are over rated. If you play well to begin with, you don't need to come back.


That. Kind of disappointing that Kacsmar spent so much time and effort on that article, without analyzing metrics that put the stats into perspective. How do Rodgers' Q1-3 stats and points scored compare to the rest of the league? How do those stats compare to the Packers' opponents? The ability to take charge when the game is slipping away and drive down the field for a TD is huge, but so is the ability to put the other team out of it early.
cheeseheads123  
#57 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 8:55:36 AM(UTC)
Just being curious i wonder in how many of those losses were the Packers up in the 4th quarter. I could remember at least 3 or 4 in 08.
zombieslayer  
#58 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 9:54:04 AM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
That's why comebacks are over rated. If you play well to begin with, you don't need to come back.


I would rather go into the 4th Q with a 20+ point lead.
Porforis  
#59 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 9:59:57 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
I would rather go into the 4th Q with a 20+ point lead.


Assuming the defense doesn't give up quick scores and the offense can at least get some first downs to burn time off the clock. There've been too many heart attack games where we HAVE been ahead by 2+ scores going into the fourth for a lifetime the last few years.
Pack93z  
#60 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 10:06:55 AM(UTC)
The comeback stat for a QB... the biggest pile of dung in sports.

Example.. I am sure the Cutler gets a win for yesterday in terms of this vaulted stat.. but really the defenses pick six saved their ass. Sure, Cutler helped set up the game winner.. but without the pick six.. the Bears offense was in trouble.

Media hype tool.. the variable of a football game are too vast to lay it all on this stat.

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