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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:46:05 PM(UTC)
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I don't know what to say.

Ether McCarthy has lost his mind and can't understand how critical it is for us to run the ball and have balance.

Or Rodgers is killing runs, in which case limit his run/pass option calls.

Or Ted has F'd up and left McCarthy with a stable of RBs behind Benson that are utterly inept.

Our insistence on passing is just ludicrous now.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:47:57 PM(UTC)
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I get that Benson got hurt, but abandoning the run just allowed the Colts to tee off.

But running the ball doesn't help cover Wayne today.. that guy willed the Colts to a win. Incredible display of catching with the hands.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:51:08 PM(UTC)
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Someone did lots of research. Running the ball doesn't equal wins.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:52:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
I don't know what to say.

Ether McCarthy has lost his mind and can't understand how critical it is for us to run the ball and have balance.

Or Rodgers is killing runs, in which case limit his run/pass option calls.

Or Ted has F'd up and left McCarthy with a stable of RBs behind Benson that are utterly inept.

Our insistence on passing is just ludicrous now.


Arodge's insistence on holding the ball for 8 seconds isn't helping.

Time for him to take a seat until such time as he decides to pull his head out.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:53:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I get that Benson got hurt, but abandoning the run just allowed the Colts to tee off.

But running the ball doesn't help cover Wayne today.. that guy willed the Colts to a win. Incredible display of catching with the hands.


Wayne showed he still has something left in the tank.

But you get something going on offense, you keep their offense off the field. Even if you are just moving the chains, you are giving your D time to rest and have a bit of a fresher pass-rush.

Additionally, you have pressure being taken off the O-line. As well as limiting Rodgers holding the ball when he can clearly get rid of it to his receiver who has a good chance at the ball.

I've rarely questioned McCarthy as a coach, because so much of the game plays out after the play is called. But I really question what the hell he is doing with his play calling; I am not so sure that he is putting his players in the best position to make plays. That's a huge problem.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:54:20 PM(UTC)
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Reggie Wayne beat us. Last I checked, Reggie Wayne was a WR on the Colts, not a RB for the Packers.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:55:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Arodge's insistence on holding the ball for 8 seconds isn't helping.

Time for him to take a seat until such time as he decides to pull his head out.


Totally agree that Rodgers is part of the problem, but are you serious? You want to bench Rodgers for Harrell. For Graham f'n Harrell?!

I'd say McCarthy should emphasize more of a shorter passing game. But, frankly, I don't know if he's competent enough to know how to hold the friggin play call sheet.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:56:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Reggie Wayne beat us. Last I checked, Reggie Wayne was a WR on the Colts, not a RB for the Packers.


27 points should win a game, if the defense shows up. Unfortunately, the Packers defense was on the field 35:16 of the game because the Packers offense couldn't sustain a drive and move the chains.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:57:59 PM(UTC)
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Did anyone notice whether the dominant pass coverage was zone or man this game?

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#10 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:59:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Reggie Wayne beat us. Last I checked, Reggie Wayne was a WR on the Colts, not a RB for the Packers.


The Colts had around 18/19 min TOP in 2nd half. We could not get anything going at all, let alone sustain drives. You do the latter, you can keep the other Offense off the field.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:00:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone notice whether the dominant pass coverage was zone or man this game?



Dunno, but Capers brought the kitchen sink on that last drive.

I thought you guys would like that. LOL
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#12 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:01:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
The Colts had around 18/19 min TOP in 2nd half. We could not get anything going at all, let alone sustain drives. You do the latter, you can keep the other Offense off the field.

Mike McCarthy doesn't have slightest care about time of possession.

ToP is a WCO issue, not a run and shoot concept.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:01:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone notice whether the dominant pass coverage was zone or man this game?



Tramon seemed to be allowed to play more press coverage, but when Wayne was lining up from the slot it forced Woodson and Burnett to play man (not press). That's what it appeared to me, at least.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:01:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Dunno, but Capers brought the kitchen sink on that last drive.

I thought you guys would like that. LOL


Well, I did like it better than the 3-man rush approach.

If the kitchen sink wasn't plugged up, it would have worked. The 3-man rush would have failed regardless. :)

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#15 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:08:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Well, I did like it better than the 3-man rush approach.

If the kitchen sink wasn't plugged up, it would have worked. The 3-man rush would have failed regardless. :)


I have to give Luck some credit here also...his pocket presence was exceptional and he stepped up in the pocket making accurate throws under pressure. This kid doesn't look like a rookie.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 3:52:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gotarace Go to Quoted Post
I have to give Luck some credit here also...his pocket presence was exceptional and he stepped up in the pocket making accurate throws under pressure. This kid doesn't look like a rookie.


Yeah, I was saying that during the chat. Luck looked really good. Our D got in his face a lot and yet Luck pulled out points when he had to.

I do think that instead of complaining about how bad we were, we should admit that Reggie Wayne DESERVED the game ball. That guy was unstoppable. He somehow came up with the ball no matter what we did.

We were actually putting some good pressure on Luck too. But as you just said, his pocket presence was exceptional. Indy lucked out (no pun intended) being the worst team last year. If Luck plays 10 years, I can see him being one of the NFL's better QBs.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:51:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I get that Benson got hurt, but abandoning the run just allowed the Colts to tee off.

But running the ball doesn't help cover Wayne today.. that guy willed the Colts to a win. Incredible display of catching with the hands.


And they had a rookie QB that just refused to lose.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:53:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
Wayne showed he still has something left in the tank.

But you get something going on offense, you keep their offense off the field. Even if you are just moving the chains, you are giving your D time to rest and have a bit of a fresher pass-rush.

Additionally, you have pressure being taken off the O-line. As well as limiting Rodgers holding the ball when he can clearly get rid of it to his receiver who has a good chance at the ball.

I've rarely questioned McCarthy as a coach, because so much of the game plays out after the play is called. But I really question what the hell he is doing with his play calling; I am not so sure that he is putting his players in the best position to make plays. That's a huge problem.


I don't disagree, and I have made the same pleas. It is evident from the outside looking in, so I wonder what we are not seeing from within?

Today I think he was scared away from the run with Benson going down.. but maybe late success with Green will change that. We shall see.

I really am not that upset with this loss... we lost that game on the field, we were beaten by a hungry and determined team. That is a compliment to the Colts today.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:59:45 PM(UTC)
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Missing Greg Jennings has a bigger impact on this team then we've imagined. We need him back and healthy 100% it's killing us! Trade Finley this off season and re-sign GJ.

Our WR has disappeared this year and our o-line ... pathetic ...

We need to keep pounding the ball with Benson / Starks / Green!
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#20 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:03:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shield4life Go to Quoted Post

Our WR has disappeared this year and our o-line ... pathetic ...

We need to keep pounding the ball with Benson / Starks / Green!


I will disagree, the offensive line play today was fine. Actually the Tackles were damn near perfect today. We can't expect to drop back almost every snap and not expect the defense to just tee off on it.

So yes.. to the second part of the quote.. but oline play and pathetic today don't belong together. IMO.

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#21 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:18:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shield4life Go to Quoted Post
Missing Greg Jennings has a bigger impact on this team then we've imagined. We need him back and healthy 100% it's killing us! Trade Finley this off season and re-sign GJ.

Our WR has disappeared this year and our o-line ... pathetic ...

We need to keep pounding the ball with Benson / Starks / Green!


Greg Jennings doesn't have much effect on the defense. Packers put up 27, that should be enough to win. The defense is what had a major impact, by lacking one.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:51:29 PM(UTC)
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I was encouraged by both sides of the ball in the first half. Our O was doing a decent job of moving the ball & scoring, and our D was doing a terrific job of getting to Luck and shutting down the Colts. Not sure what transpired at half time, but it was a completely different team that came out.

Up 21 - 3 at half time, we shouldn't have lost this game. This was a complete collapse in all aspects--offense, defense, special teams.

2nd half offense stunk. If we're at the point that we lose Benson & our offense stagnates, then that's an offense I don't like. I don't think our RBs are THAT inept, I blame part of it on ZBS (I do and always have hated it), part on lack of commitment to the run. Whether that's Mike McCarthy or AR, don't know and don't care. First two possessions in the second half were all passes, and all but one of the plays was from the shotgun. That I blame on MM, not AR--the only run play Aaron Rodgers would be audibling out of in that formation is a draw play. Yeah, I know we weren't getting a lot out of the run game in the second half (until Green's 40 yd gain), but we need to at least make the attempt to slow down the Colts pass rush, make their DL/LBs change direction and chase the runner (tiring out the DL while you're at it).

2nd half defense stunk. Gave up 27 pts. Same thing about Raji as about Benson--losing one guy shouldn't be the death-knell to the defense. We have GOT to have backups that can step in and perform. Luck and Wayne just destroyed us in the 2nd half.

2nd half special teams failed, missing a 51 yd FG with a chance to tie the game. No, it wasn't short, but it was makeable. KO returns from 9 yards deep that don't even make the 20 yd line. Only bright spot was Masthay, and he got WAY too many opportunities to shine (7 punts).

Not sure what the pre-game and half-time prep is, but whatever it is isn't working. 5 weeks into the season, and we've scored a total of 20 pts in the 1st (14 pts) & 3rd (6 pts) quarters combined. We can't keep waiting for the 2nd & 4th qtrs to do something.

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#23 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:24:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Reggie Wayne beat us. Last I checked, Reggie Wayne was a WR on the Colts, not a RB for the Packers.


Reggie can't beat us, if he is sitting on the sideline? That is what running the ball more would do. Benson has been doing a decent job of getting extra. But most of what Benson has been getting is due to the Oline having success blocking. It has been the same story for years. When the RB has success, the Oline is winning the battles, be that Starks in the SB run, or Grant before that.

The Line was winning battles on run plays, and giving up on that because One player goes down is piss pour play calling. No matter what, that falls on McCarthy. Either because he is calling the plays, or because he is not monitoring and correcting Rodgers from checking the all to run.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:36:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
2nd half defense stunk. Gave up 27 pts. Same thing about Raji as about Benson--losing one guy shouldn't be the death-knell to the defense. We have GOT to have backups that can step in and perform. Luck and Wayne just destroyed us in the 2nd half.


Great point about the number of shot-gun snaps to start the 2nd half. I'm not sure if Philbin made that much of a difference to McCarthy at least somewhat attempting to stick with the run; Philbin was an O-line coach and Clements was a QB coach before they became the OC. But, really, McCarthy's inability to commit to running the ball when it is obviously providing a benefit is worrisome.

As for the Defense.... how many times can you recall Clay, in between plays, standing still with his hand on his hips and looking around like he was in the latter stages of the game? Hell, I'm certain on one play I saw Clay stop trying after the RB made a cut behind Clay when Clay was 3-4 yards away. In other words, how many time do you see Clay actually stop pursuit altogether so early? I think that speaks volumes about how tired the D was... and they had reason to be after getting barely any breathing time by our incompetent offense.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:32:14 PM(UTC)
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"We're up 21-3 at halftime and we sort of changed our game plan in the second half and we couldn't do (expletive)," an obviously angry guard T.J. Lang said. "They knew all we were doing was throwing the ball so they were coming with everything they had."
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