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DarkaneRules  
#21 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:43:56 PM(UTC)
I think losing our offensive coordinator was more impacting than i thought it would be.
yooperfan  
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:46:24 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Are you kidding me.. lol. Rodgers played fine today.. not MVP level but fine. Want to yell, yell at the drops.. how many again were there?

Until we have a defense that can hold there own, we have to control the clock and we have to put the fear of the run into the defenses mind. We can run, we have shown we can run if we want to. That is the question, do we want to become a complete offense or try and buck the odds with one dimension.

Football is circular, the beauty of the game. Balanced teams are the consistent teams.. year in and out. It is not a mystery... we can do it. Balance on offense will help the defense.. it will help the oline and it will help the QB.

This season we have been best with balance.. it always comes back to the middle.. the balance.


I doubt that the Packers will become a balanced football team with McCarthy calling the plays.
He keeps talking about a running game but he abandons the run game like an Italian cruise ship captain abandons ship.

vikesrule  
#23 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:49:07 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Are you kidding me.. lol. Rodgers played fine today.. not MVP level but fine. Want to yell, yell at the drops.. how many again were there?

Until we have a defense that can hold their own, we have to control the clock and we have to put the fear of the run into the defenses mind. We can run, we have shown we can run if we want to. That is the question, do we want to become a complete offense or try and buck the odds with one dimension.

Football is circular, the beauty of the game. Balanced teams are the consistent teams.. year in and out. It is not a mystery... we can do it. Balance on offense will help the defense.. it will help the oline and it will help the QB.

This season we have been best with balance.. it always comes back to the middle.. the balance.



Pack93z is a wise man........and I won't even add my usual disclaimer "for a cheesehead"

Among other things, the man knows football.

zombieslayer  
#24 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:50:27 PM(UTC)
vikesrule said: Go to Quoted Post
Pack93z is a wise man........and I won't even add my usual disclaimer "for a cheesehead"

Among other things, the man knows football.



He does.

And he's level-headed too. Unlike some of us. (Myself included, of course).
K_Buz  
#25 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 6:21:51 PM(UTC)
I thought it was a penalty. I thought he lead with his head.
macbob  
#26 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:00:38 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd rather see Starks active than Green. He lacks big play, but hes consistently getting positive yards where Green would go backwards.


I don't think Starks inactive is due to running ability at all. Earlier this year he was blowing assignments (missing blitz pickups, going the wrong way on one play and leaving Rogers to scramble with it). I think Mike McCarthy is pissed that he didn't step up his effort when given the opportunity to replace Grant as the preiminent back in the offense.
macbob  
#27 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:03:37 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Really, how much worse would Harrell have been?


He could go in for 1 play at the opponents goal line and fumble it away...

Yerko  
#28 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44:07 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
I think losing our offensive coordinator was more impacting than i thought it would be.


Agreed. =d>
blueleopard  
#29 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:55:03 PM(UTC)
Rodgers was excellent in the first half, but the run game also helped him because it kept IND honest.

Then all of a sudden, we lose Benson and then McCarthy goes apeshit with the bomb play calls. I don't see why he doesn't just simplify the gameplan like he did with his final season with Favre. I wanna go back to being the quick slant offense. It takes time, but that shit works.
bboystyle  
#30 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:07:13 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers was excellent in the first half, but the run game also helped him because it kept IND honest.

Then all of a sudden, we lose Benson and then McCarthy goes apeshit with the bomb play calls. I don't see why he doesn't just simplify the gameplan like he did with his final season with Favre. I wanna go back to being the quick slant offense. It takes time, but that shit works.


umm benson ran for 20 yards on 7 carries,a whopping 2.9 avg. wouldnt consider that a run game at all that helped...
PackFanWithTwins  
#31 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:13:16 PM(UTC)
Normally, as the season goes on and game to game. Bad calls by officials even out. If that ever happens this year, the other teams are in for a world of hurt.

Two text book plays today. The Perry call, I can understand the official making a bad call at the speed of the game. I can say, when it happened. I thought it was a hit to the head. Replay shows it wasn't and was instead a textbook hit of the QB in the pocket. Put your head on the ball and wrap up. Video should be used to show youth how to hit.

The PI on Shields had no excuse. Shields out ran the WR to position. Somebody needs to inform the officials that DBs have just as much right to position and the ball as the offense. Even the calls on Woodson, yeah sure he had his hands on the WR. But it would be nice for announcers ONCE to notice that the WR/TEs have their hands on the DBs just as much. I am getting sick of watching WR instigate contact, and play for penalties. I can't count how many times through the years, where I have even seen WR who can't catch the ball, stick their arm back into the DB to make it look like they are being held. while the replacements wer not great refs. They let DBs play defense again. The Real refs could learn some from the replacements. Watching football being turned in to basketball is getting old.

3 loses and 3 games with momentum and game changing calls made. What goes around comes around. And it should be coming back around soon.
nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:08:50 PM(UTC)
I've been seeing uncalled facemasks on Arodge too.
macbob  
#33 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 5:21:57 AM(UTC)
bboystyle said: Go to Quoted Post
umm benson ran for 20 yards on 7 carries,a whopping 2.9 avg. wouldnt consider that a run game at all that helped...


Benson went out during the first drive of the 2nd qtr. To that point in the game Mike McCarthy had called 10 passing plays and 8 runs (one being Kuhn's 2 yd TD carry). The mix of run plays was keeping the Colts D from being able to focus solely on the pass.

2nd half we ran it a total of 6 attempts, 3 of those on the same possession. And that's with a lead. The
majority of our formations were shotguns in the second half. Very few from a running formation, which takes our play-action passes out of the equation, too.

If Mike McCarthy didn't trust Green to pick up the load, Kuhn could have run it for some positive yards and ate up some of the clock. He's not going to break one for 40 yds, but he's not going to lose a lot of yardage, either.


DarkaneRules  
#34 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 9:44:06 AM(UTC)
macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
Benson went out during the first drive of the 2nd qtr. To that point in the game Mike McCarthy had called 10 passing plays and 8 runs (one being Kuhn's 2 yd TD carry). The mix of run plays was keeping the Colts D from being able to focus solely on the pass.

2nd half we ran it a total of 6 attempts, 3 of those on the same possession. And that's with a lead. The
majority of our formations were shotguns in the second half. Very few from a running formation, which takes our play-action passes out of the equation, too.

If Mike McCarthy didn't trust Green to pick up the load, Kuhn could have run it for some positive yards and ate up some of the clock. He's not going to break one for 40 yds, but he's not going to lose a lot of yardage, either.




This is so crucial. We need to change things up to keep defenses honest. It doesn't just happen. I feel like McCarthy knows that but doesn't have someone like Joe anymore to bounce things off of anymore. Perhaps keep him in check. Joe is doing more with less right now in Miami.
Pack93z  
#35 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:06:40 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post


Two text book plays today. The Perry call, I can understand the official making a bad call at the speed of the game. I can say, when it happened. I thought it was a hit to the head. Replay shows it wasn't and was instead a textbook hit of the QB in the pocket. Put your head on the ball and wrap up. Video should be used to show youth how to hit.


I will agree with the Shields penalty, that was a BS call. If anything it was offensive.

But Perry's call was correct.

NFL Rules.

" said: Go to Quoted Post
A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.
Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily.


http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

He led with his head, and no that is not what to teach the youth IMO. Head to the side, eyes up and drive through the player.

Perry had a clean look and he had time to lay a proper hit on the QB, instead he dropped his head and lead with the head to the center of Luck's chest. Was it particularly nasty, no, but it is within the letter of the rule book.

The ironic part, in lower ball the rule is intended to protect the tackler more so than the target.
PackFanWithTwins  
#36 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:36:58 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I will agree with the Shields penalty, that was a BS call. If anything it was offensive.

But Perry's call was correct.

NFL Rules.



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

He led with his head, and no that is not what to teach the youth IMO. Head to the side, eyes up and drive through the player.

Perry had a clean look and he had time to lay a proper hit on the QB, instead he dropped his head and lead with the head to the center of Luck's chest. Was it particularly nasty, no, but it is within the letter of the rule book.

The ironic part, in lower ball the rule is intended to protect the tackler more so than the target.


It was a proper hit. He did not lead with the top of his helmet. Yes first contact was with his helmet, on the arm/ball. It was not with the crown or top of the helmet, it was the front just above the facemask, it was not a spear or a butt.

Good tackle, bad call.
Pack93z  
#37 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:58:17 AM(UTC)
I hate it, but it is going to be called 80 to 90 percent of the time in the NFL. I think the NFL is overprotective of the QB, but it is what it is. And it is called rather consistently.
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PackFanWithTwins  
#38 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 11:12:42 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I hate it, but it is going to be called 80 to 90 percent of the time in the NFL. I think the NFL is overprotective of the QB, but it is what it is. And it is called rather consistently.


that is all that I said in the beginning. That I understand why it was called and don't blame the refs for making the bad call, just that it is still a bad call.

Much like Matthews last year or was it two years ago can't remember on who. Much like Walden on Wilson.
Pack93z  
#39 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 11:23:04 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
that is all that I said in the beginning. That I understand why it was called and don't blame the refs for making the bad call, just that it is still a bad call.

Much like Matthews last year or was it two years ago can't remember on who. Much like Walden on Wilson.


I read it as it was missed by the officials in your first post, but that I blame on the NFL as a whole.

Anything more we can disagree about this morning. [grin1]
nerdmann  
#40 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 11:39:43 AM(UTC)
The crown is the top of the helmet, not the front of the helmet.
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