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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:26:39 PM(UTC)
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I HATE to say it, but is the team...really not that good?

Indy had far less talent on the defensive side, than Seattle.

Andrew Luck, I've said in the past, could be the t1000 version of Aaron Rodgers.
It looks like he will be. Even in his Super Bowl year, Aaron couldn't shrug off an athletic big linebacker like Matthews and still make a 30 yard throw.

Aaron does look like he has reached his ceiling.

It just looks like this team has been figured out.

Really tough one to accept today.

And Jay Cutler is 4-1
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Offline rabidgopher04  
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:38:35 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, it's a little weird. They had everything going for them last year, actually from the last few games of 2010 through the playoffs and into most of 2011. Since then they have looked really average. Aaron's accuracy is down, receivers dropping the ball more often, less calls going the Packers' way, D not getting turnovers. It all adds up to looking mediocre. Maybe they get hot again later in the season.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:56:36 PM(UTC)
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They need some sort of spark. Beating Houston will do that, but that's not an easy task. Everything they do works, and J.J. Watt is the early-season DPOY.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:59:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blueleopard Go to Quoted Post
They need some sort of spark. Beating Houston will do that, but that's not an easy task. Everything they do works, and J.J. Watt is the early-season DPOY.


This teams plays both up and down to it's opponents. Usually.

Occasionally they just straight up shit themselves.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#5 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:22:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
I HATE to say it, but is the team...really not that good?

Aaron does look like he has reached his ceiling.


I think last year was probably Aaron reaching his ceiling... and no one should have an issue with that because of his exceptionally high level of play most of last year.

But Aaron this year? He has regressed, it seems. The way the talent around him is playing also has been a major factor in his play, no doubt. But it seems he has regressed as well to holding the ball too long and at times not taking what the defence is giving him.

Frankly, each passing week it's more evident that our team really is not all that good. They may have talent, but cannot translate that into performance.

Perhaps the solution is to have another "come to Jesus" type meeting that our offense had a few years ago, where apparently all offensive players called each other out (O-line block better, WRs execute and catch better, and QB to release the ball sooner). It just shocking the amount we've regressed when we arguably have slightly better talent than last year. It should not be this bad.
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Offline Rios39  
#6 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:00:47 PM(UTC)
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It seems like we go over the same thing every other year with Rodgers holding onto the ball too long. Actually in both 2009 and early 2010 he was guilty of this but I thought with his play in late 2010 through all of last year that part of him is gone but here it is. The same old thing again. When a blitz is coming you can't stand in there for 4-5 seconds lol it's ridiculous and one of the most embarrassing things for an offense.
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Offline nerdmann  
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:11:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
It seems like we go over the same thing every other year with Rodgers holding onto the ball too long. Actually in both 2009 and early 2010 he was guilty of this but I thought with his play in late 2010 through all of last year that part of him is gone but here it is. The same old thing again. When a blitz is coming you can't stand in there for 4-5 seconds lol it's ridiculous and one of the most embarrassing things for an offense.


The good news is it's something he can work on.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#8 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:08:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The good news is it's something he can work on.


It's just funny that Luck handles it better
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Offline Packfan87  
#9 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 6:26:21 AM(UTC)
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Let's just trade Rodgers for Luck....? Shrug

Hah...but in all seriousness the game was very discouraging. Our defense is improved over last year, but it won't win us games. I'm just shocked with how poorly our offense has played, and I pray that Mike McCarthy has an answer. I think the only positive thing on our offense right now is Cobb...
Offline Porforis  
#10 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 6:52:01 AM(UTC)
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If we catch half the balls on defense that hit us in the hands, we're 4-1 without breaking a sweat. We've got the talent, we're just not executing. Williams has been dropping a lot of balls, and we've seen a few occasions where multiple DBs are in a position to pick off a pass and they run into each other.
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Offline Porforis  
#11 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 6:56:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
It seems like we go over the same thing every other year with Rodgers holding onto the ball too long. Actually in both 2009 and early 2010 he was guilty of this but I thought with his play in late 2010 through all of last year that part of him is gone but here it is. The same old thing again. When a blitz is coming you can't stand in there for 4-5 seconds lol it's ridiculous and one of the most embarrassing things for an offense.


While he very much did hold onto the ball too much vs the Seachickens, he wasn't touched in the first half and in the second half, he often had pressure from all directions and it didn't seem as though any receivers were breaking off their routes to help Rodgers out when he was under duress. You can't throw the ball away when you've got a guy in your face, a guy to your left, and a guy to your right, nor can you roll out to buy yourself more time. I'm discouraged that McCarthy didn't call more screens, they've got a dangerous man in Cobb who not only can do great things for you in the open field, but sets up some great fake opportunities. Let Cobb burn them on a screen or draw a couple times, then fake a reverse to him and go deep.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#12 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:07:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
I think last year was probably Aaron reaching his ceiling... and no one should have an issue with that because of his exceptionally high level of play most of last year.

But Aaron this year? He has regressed, it seems. The way the talent around him is playing also has been a major factor in his play, no doubt. But it seems he has regressed as well to holding the ball too long and at times not taking what the defence is giving him.

Frankly, each passing week it's more evident that our team really is not all that good. They may have talent, but cannot translate that into performance.

Perhaps the solution is to have another "come to Jesus" type meeting that our offense had a few years ago, where apparently all offensive players called each other out (O-line block better, WRs execute and catch better, and QB to release the ball sooner). It just shocking the amount we've regressed when we arguably have slightly better talent than last year. It should not be this bad.


Yes, if the D is giving him a 5 yard completion, sometimes, you just gotta take it. I don't understand why Aaron Rodgers thinks he has to complete the deeper routes every play.

You work up to those.

And yes, our OL is better than last year. The receivers are the same. Benson > Starks/Grant. There's no reason why our O should be this bad.
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Offline Porforis  
#13 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:34:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Yes, if the D is giving him a 5 yard completion, sometimes, you just gotta take it. I don't understand why Aaron Rodgers thinks he has to complete the deeper routes every play.

You work up to those.

And yes, our OL is better than last year. The receivers are the same. Benson > Starks/Grant. There's no reason why our O should be this bad.


I'm either blind or there hasn't BEEN someone less than 10, 15 yards deep 4 seconds into 90% of our passing plays.
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Offline play2win  
#14 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:36:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post

And yes, our OL is better than last year. The receivers are the same. Benson > Starks/Grant. There's no reason why our O should be this bad.


You would think they should be better, but our OL is not playing like it, at all. Saturday sucked yesterday.

Porforis makes a great point on the dropped INTs. I think I saw 4 of them yesterday, one by Woodson, two by Williams, and I cannot recall who dropped the 4th one. Can't have that.

Where the F was our pass rush? Against a depleted line? Our DL totaled 5 tackles and 1 sack. Those are piss poor numbers.

The list of underachievers from this game is long. Mike McCarthy and his staff are at the top of the list.
Offline Yerko  
#15 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 9:00:03 AM(UTC)
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Didn't get to see this game and well, I am kind of happy I didn't because I am a little less upset about it...until I saw the highlights of the game.

W...T...F?

I wouldn't necessarily call the team mediocre. We have the personnel and when used correctly, they succeed. I would use the word UNDERACHIEVERS. To be up on the Colts by 18 at halftime and then come out like that in the second half and shit your pants? My goodness.

How embarrassing.
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#16 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 9:20:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Where the F was our pass rush? Against a depleted line? Our DL totaled 5 tackles and 1 sack. Those are piss poor numbers.


Did you even watch the game? We were knocking Luck around hard all game until Raji went down, after which we didn't get any interior push which allowed for doubleteams on Matthews. Heck, after a full game of what he went through in the first half I was wondering if we were going to send that kid to the hospital. He got whalloped more than a couple times.

This D Line isn't going to get many sacks, it's all about our linebackers... But it's hard for the linebackers to get home if the D line isn't generating interior pressure, and that starts with Raji.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#17 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 9:46:41 AM(UTC)
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Not sure about mediocre, but maybe average. We look like an 8-8 or 9-7 at best team right now.
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#18 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:20:06 AM(UTC)
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Are the Packers Mediocre?

Talent wise, no, I don't believe they are.

The level of play overall from them, yes, yes they are. Some of that is in direct relationship to the guy calling the offensive plays.

Defensively, overall, I think they have done a fair job overall with some of the situations they have been put into.

Offensively, I think they have to really look deep to what the opponents are taking away and adjust until they force the defense to come up and respect the run and screens. That means Mike McCarthy has to alter how he is calling plays, albeit I think he intended to be balanced yesterday until Benson was out.

Personally, I think Mike McCarthy performance more so than the teams has been the issue. And the team is a reflection of the head coach and his staff.

So would have to agree, through week five they are Mediocre at best.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#19 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:22:21 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately our SB hangover came at the end of last season and has carried on into this season. Hopefully we make an insane run again like we did in 2009/2010 when we were pretty much in the same position. Our 3 loses have been by a total of 13 points (yes it should only be 11 pts). While we can scream at our defense that averages to 4.33pts per game we're losing by so we're not getting blown out. We need to clean it up and pick things back up. Our offense is showing signs of being able to put up points again these past 2 games. Yes that 3rd quarter was horrendous but our D wasn't helping us out either. Now it the time to nut up to dig ourselves out like we have before.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#20 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:25:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
Not sure about mediocre, but maybe average. We look like an 8-8 or 9-7 at best team right now.


Can you explain the distinction between mediocre and average?
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Offline Porforis  
#21 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:29:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
Can you explain the distinction between mediocre and average?


"Mediocre" carries a slight negative connotation to me and implies... Well, mediocrity.

me·di·o·cre/ˌmēdēˈōkər/
Adjective: Of only moderate quality; not very good: "a mediocre actor".

"Average" to me is a strictly neutral term. So as far as football goes, I'd call 9-7 or 8-8 average, 7-9 mediocre.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#22 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:48:11 AM(UTC)
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I think the glaring thing to me is that the receiving corp does not have explosive speed minus Cobb.

The Seahawks provided the blueprint for the rest of the year of how to stop the packers.

Also, have u guys seen all the articles about how all the young rookies are bringing energy to the team?

Is that energy now negative?
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#23 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 10:54:12 AM(UTC)
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#24 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 11:24:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post

The Seahawks provided the blueprint for the rest of the year of how to stop the packers.


Actually I think that went to the Chiefs last season.. and not all teams can pull it off.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 11:26:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Did you even watch the game? We were knocking Luck around hard all game until Raji went down, after which we didn't get any interior push which allowed for doubleteams on Matthews. Heck, after a full game of what he went through in the first half I was wondering if we were going to send that kid to the hospital. He got whalloped more than a couple times.

This D Line isn't going to get many sacks, it's all about our linebackers... But it's hard for the linebackers to get home if the D line isn't generating interior pressure, and that starts with Raji.


Yes, I did. Why would you even ask such a question? Pickett, Worthy, Wilson and Neal had their asses handed to them, by an interior made up of 2nd and 3rd string OL.

"However, the Colts were far worse off starting the game, and with their ragtag roster it should have been too much for them to overcome against what was thought to be a playoff-caliber team.

Not only were they missing their two left guards, the starting center sat out and right guard Mike McGlynn left early in the third quarter. His replacement, Tony Hills, was activated Saturday from the practice squad after being with the Colts for 19 days." http://www.jsonline.com/...s/packers/173026821.html

Luck was sacked 4 times, all in the 1st half. Neal did a great job getting his. No other DL got a sack. Only 4 QB hits and only 5 tackles between the 5 that played, that includes Raji. Everybody disappeared in the 2nd half. By rights, this group of Pick, Worthy, Neal and Wilson should have buried Luck in the 2nd half. It didn't happen. Seems we lose every time we keep Daniels inactive. I was hoping Ted would keep more beef here. Instead, he went pretty thin on our DL. Now, when a guy like Raji goes down, we have no back up. Makes no sense to me.

The DL is just one group that underperformed in my opinion. There is bigger blame to go around, but being a team game, they cannot just disappear for an entire half and expect their team to win.
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