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Offline go.pack.go.  
#11 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:51:01 AM(UTC)
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I am now convinced that our inability to run outside is a coaching issue first, line issue second. It didn't work well with Grant, it didn't work well with Starks, it hasn't worked well with Benson, and it was terrible with Green. You do need to run it outside at least a few times a game to keep the defense honest, but it sure would be nice to get positive yards once in a while rather than seeing the play develop so slowly and defenders swarming through.


I'd actually have to disagree when you say that it hasn't worked with Benson. I have noticed a big difference in Benson this year compared to when Green was in the game or Starks last year or even Ryan Grant. I think Benson is a very good back and he's obviously better than anybody else we've had in a few years. Our offense went straight down hill yesterday when he got hurt.

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#12 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 8:04:45 AM(UTC)
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StoicFire said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm not a fan of all the McCarthy bashing no matter how bad this last loss was. He is an intelligent, prepared, accountable coach with one Super Bowl win so far.

A coach can only do so much though... at some point the players must execute as directed.


No. Sorry, but this statement just does not hold water, not now. Prepared? How? Accountable? How? By saying he has to "fix this" in his post-game presser? Really? An intelligent, prepared and accountable coach will recognize a shift in momentum and make the necessary adjustments.

The real genius is Dakota T, for summing up our teams problems in two simple words: "NO FOCUS" - that is a top-down problem. We had so many players underperform yesterday, at nearly every position on the team, which speaks directly to Mike McCarthy and an ill-prepared team.

Accountability would have been on display had McCarthy fixed what went wrong in SEA. He didn't. Yesterday's 2nd half was the exact same story, different day, different team, same mistakes.
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 8:07:15 AM(UTC)
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Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
I am now convinced that our inability to run outside is a coaching issue first, line issue second. It didn't work well with Grant, it didn't work well with Starks, it hasn't worked well with Benson, and it was terrible with Green. You do need to run it outside at least a few times a game to keep the defense honest, but it sure would be nice to get positive yards once in a while rather than seeing the play develop so slowly and defenders swarming through.


The only running play that I have seen work to the outside is when Cobb gets the call. I can't recall a single outside run that has worked with anyone other than Cobb.
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#14 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 8:13:21 AM(UTC)
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go.pack.go. said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd actually have to disagree when you say that it hasn't worked with Benson. I have noticed a big difference in Benson this year compared to when Green was in the game or Starks last year or even Ryan Grant. I think Benson is a very good back and he's obviously better than anybody else we've had in a few years. Our offense went straight down hill yesterday when he got hurt.



The big difference with Benson IMO. Has been running between the tackles. Outside we still are no good at. Sure a play here or there may work. But mostly they do not. The defense seems to always beat our Oline to the edge. Our line has more ability to play steam rollers, than finese. We should only run outside on pitches. We have a chance with them.

Olineman take pride in run blocking. Abandoning it the way McCarthy does is a slap in the face to them.
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#15 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 12:31:13 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
The big difference with Benson IMO. Has been running between the tackles. Outside we still are no good at. Sure a play here or there may work. But mostly they do not. The defense seems to always beat our Oline to the edge. Our line has more ability to play steam rollers, than finese. We should only run outside on pitches. We have a chance with them.

Olineman take pride in run blocking. Abandoning it the way McCarthy does is a slap in the face to them.


I agree with everything you say here. We really don't have an outside run game whatsoever. It seems like Alex Green would be good at that, considering how quick/fast he is. But we also have to remember that he's 225 pounds as well. Randall Cobb is the only player on our team that has elite speed to get to the outside with this offensive line, in my opinion.
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go.pack.go. said: Go to Quoted Post
Randall Cobb is the only player on our team that has elite speed to get to the outside with this offensive line, in my opinion.


40 yd dash
Randall Cobb - 4.46
Alex Green - 4.53


20 yd shuttle
Randall Cobb - 4.34
Alex Green - 4.15



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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
The only running play that I have seen work to the outside is when Cobb gets the call. I can't recall a single outside run that has worked with anyone other than Cobb.


Yes. Cobb is the ONLY runner I saw who can make it outside. The others, we're lucky to get 2 yards with.

This is the way our OL is. It's actually pretty good this year at opening up holes in the middle. Why we're not running between the Tackles more, I have no idea. Besides the single play when Green tripped over his own feet, Green looked promising. We should have used him more. Or at least used him for a few screens.
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#18 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 2:05:01 PM(UTC)
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Yeah zombie, our OL does seem way better at run plays between the Tackles. I don't get their stretch plays either. Horrible.
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#19 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 4:13:59 PM(UTC)
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We need Starks back. He has the ability to get outside the edge and make some solid up the field runs. He had a solid average last year as well and that was not playing as much. Alex Green is explosive but he makes some poor cuts... We'll see what happens if they get him in the I formation and run the ball.

When Starks is back and hopefully at full strength we can use him and Benson in different roles. Remember we won the SB in a fairly large part due to Starks being a solid runner.
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#20 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 5:27:24 PM(UTC)
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Rios39 said: Go to Quoted Post
We need Starks back. He has the ability to get outside the edge and make some solid up the field runs. He had a solid average last year as well and that was not playing as much. Alex Green is explosive but he makes some poor cuts... We'll see what happens if they get him in the I formation and run the ball.

When Starks is back and hopefully at full strength we can use him and Benson in different roles. Remember we won the SB in a fairly large part due to Starks being a solid runner.


They got down on Starks, because he wasn't assignment sure. There were numerous situations where Arodge was bitching at him on the field, after having failed to pick up a blitzer, or gotten the play wrong. Including this preseason.

Hopefully, he'll get it together.

Now, Mike McCarthy said last season that Saine was their most consistent guy at the position. Dude's got size and speed too. The rap on him is that he's raw.

We saw what Green can do in the last game. He can bust one for a large gain. Frankly Saine can do that too, and to some degree Starks as well, although he's not as fast as Saine and Green.

I'd like to see them run some of those Cobb screens to Green. He's got kind of a similar skill set, as a runner.
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