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Zero2Cool  
#21 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:18:20 PM(UTC)
shield4life said: Go to Quoted Post
Missing Greg Jennings has a bigger impact on this team then we've imagined. We need him back and healthy 100% it's killing us! Trade Finley this off season and re-sign GJ.

Our WR has disappeared this year and our o-line ... pathetic ...

We need to keep pounding the ball with Benson / Starks / Green!


Greg Jennings doesn't have much effect on the defense. Packers put up 27, that should be enough to win. The defense is what had a major impact, by lacking one.
macbob  
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:51:29 PM(UTC)
I was encouraged by both sides of the ball in the first half. Our O was doing a decent job of moving the ball & scoring, and our D was doing a terrific job of getting to Luck and shutting down the Colts. Not sure what transpired at half time, but it was a completely different team that came out.

Up 21 - 3 at half time, we shouldn't have lost this game. This was a complete collapse in all aspects--offense, defense, special teams.

2nd half offense stunk. If we're at the point that we lose Benson & our offense stagnates, then that's an offense I don't like. I don't think our RBs are THAT inept, I blame part of it on ZBS (I do and always have hated it), part on lack of commitment to the run. Whether that's Mike McCarthy or AR, don't know and don't care. First two possessions in the second half were all passes, and all but one of the plays was from the shotgun. That I blame on MM, not AR--the only run play Aaron Rodgers would be audibling out of in that formation is a draw play. Yeah, I know we weren't getting a lot out of the run game in the second half (until Green's 40 yd gain), but we need to at least make the attempt to slow down the Colts pass rush, make their DL/LBs change direction and chase the runner (tiring out the DL while you're at it).

2nd half defense stunk. Gave up 27 pts. Same thing about Raji as about Benson--losing one guy shouldn't be the death-knell to the defense. We have GOT to have backups that can step in and perform. Luck and Wayne just destroyed us in the 2nd half.

2nd half special teams failed, missing a 51 yd FG with a chance to tie the game. No, it wasn't short, but it was makeable. KO returns from 9 yards deep that don't even make the 20 yd line. Only bright spot was Masthay, and he got WAY too many opportunities to shine (7 punts).

Not sure what the pre-game and half-time prep is, but whatever it is isn't working. 5 weeks into the season, and we've scored a total of 20 pts in the 1st (14 pts) & 3rd (6 pts) quarters combined. We can't keep waiting for the 2nd & 4th qtrs to do something.

PackFanWithTwins  
#23 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:24:33 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Reggie Wayne beat us. Last I checked, Reggie Wayne was a WR on the Colts, not a RB for the Packers.


Reggie can't beat us, if he is sitting on the sideline? That is what running the ball more would do. Benson has been doing a decent job of getting extra. But most of what Benson has been getting is due to the Oline having success blocking. It has been the same story for years. When the RB has success, the Oline is winning the battles, be that Starks in the SB run, or Grant before that.

The Line was winning battles on run plays, and giving up on that because One player goes down is piss pour play calling. No matter what, that falls on McCarthy. Either because he is calling the plays, or because he is not monitoring and correcting Rodgers from checking the all to run.
all_about_da_packers  
#24 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:36:23 PM(UTC)
macbob said: Go to Quoted Post
2nd half defense stunk. Gave up 27 pts. Same thing about Raji as about Benson--losing one guy shouldn't be the death-knell to the defense. We have GOT to have backups that can step in and perform. Luck and Wayne just destroyed us in the 2nd half.


Great point about the number of shot-gun snaps to start the 2nd half. I'm not sure if Philbin made that much of a difference to McCarthy at least somewhat attempting to stick with the run; Philbin was an O-line coach and Clements was a QB coach before they became the OC. But, really, McCarthy's inability to commit to running the ball when it is obviously providing a benefit is worrisome.

As for the Defense.... how many times can you recall Clay, in between plays, standing still with his hand on his hips and looking around like he was in the latter stages of the game? Hell, I'm certain on one play I saw Clay stop trying after the RB made a cut behind Clay when Clay was 3-4 yards away. In other words, how many time do you see Clay actually stop pursuit altogether so early? I think that speaks volumes about how tired the D was... and they had reason to be after getting barely any breathing time by our incompetent offense.
all_about_da_packers  
#25 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:32:14 PM(UTC)
From TJ Lang (source: http://www.jsonline.com/...s/packers/173026821.html ):

Quote:
"We're up 21-3 at halftime and we sort of changed our game plan in the second half and we couldn't do (expletive)," an obviously angry guard T.J. Lang said. "They knew all we were doing was throwing the ball so they were coming with everything they had."
RajiRoar  
#26 Posted : Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:05:44 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post


why is this shit so obvious to EVERYONE but NOTHING gets done about it?

it's been the same shit every week!

long developing plays = sacks! esspecially when the D is taking away the deep routs you are constantly forcing....

what ever happened to our "bread and butter" slants? quick passing game that was emphasized ALL offseason?


we are 5 weeks in and we havn't fixed anything.

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macbob  
#27 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 4:49:28 AM(UTC)
In my opinion, Tom Silverstein article from the Journal Sentinel summed things up pretty well, though I think he puts more on McCarthy and not enough on our O & D not executing in the second half than I would. It required an all-around effort to lose that game, not just the coaching:

JSOnline said:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-running-game-goes-down-after-benson-injured-fm7444e-173061901.html

Indianapolis - Coach Mike McCarthy often talks about the "next man up" when it comes to dealing with injuries, but in a devastating loss to a team hardly equipped to deal with his Green Bay Packers, McCarthy forgot his own code.

The Packers (2-3) may never recover this season from a 30-27 loss to the Indianapolis Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium, but they did have a chance to remain afloat inside the dome after losing leading rusher Cedric Benson with a sprained foot.

According to the next man up observance, second-year back Alex Green should have stepped in and assumed Benson's role, allowing McCarthy to stick to his original game plan.

Had McCarthy actually done so, the game Sunday might have been different. After two quarters of limited opportunity, Green busted off a 41-yard run that turned the game around. One play later, receiver James Jones scored on an 8-yard touchdown pass to give the Packers a 27-22 lead with just over 4 minutes left.

Green's run was the longest by a Packer since Dec. 11 of last year and only the team's fourth run of 40 or more yards since the start of the 2010 season. It came on just his 11th carry of the season.

Given the success the offense had in building a 21-3 lead with Benson gaining a modest 20 yards on seven carries, it's possible the game would have been different if Green had been used similarly. Before getting hurt, Benson thought the Packers were on their way to a good running day.

"I had a good feeling that it would be a big game, not only for me but every skill position, every player," Benson said afterward, a medical boot on his left foot. "It's just surprising that it didn't."

Benson said his foot swelled up too much to continue after a Colts player landed on it, following a 3-yard reception. He said he had faith that the "next man up" would be able to pick up where he left off.

Only McCarthy didn't give him a chance.

After calling eight runs in the 17 plays leading up to Benson's injury, McCarthy called just nine in the next 42 times quarterback Aaron Rodgers took a snap. It's not known how many of those plays Rodgers changed from runs to passes at the line of scrimmage.

Green created some doubt about his effectiveness with five of his carries totaling minus-3 yards.

But after playing to stop Benson in the first half, the Colts seemed content to turn on their jets and go after Rodgers with no fear of being gashed by the run in the second half. Rodgers was sacked five times after halftime.

"We have to make sure we're able to run the ball," guard Josh Sitton said. "We have to have that variety. We're not the same team as last year, obviously. We can't sit back there and throw the ball 20 times in a row to be successful.

"We have to run the ball and have the confidence in the play caller to call the run and we need to run the ball."

The Packers clearly aren't the 2011 team that set franchise records for passing yards and points. In five games, they have scored 112 points, 61 fewer than they scored in the first five last year. They topped 390 yards in each of their five games last year and have topped it just once this year.

Going into the game, Colts players said the pass game was not their primary concern.

"Take care of Cedric Benson, first of all, stopping the run," end Cory Redding said. "And then two, getting on the passer, mixing it up on the back end where you can't read our coverages as much and trying to eliminate the big plays."

With Benson presenting something of a threat, Rodgers got some one-on-one matchups with his receivers, some he took advantage of and some he didn't. His worst miss was a third and 6 on the first series when he overthrew an open Jordy Nelson down the right sideline.

But Rodgers was able to stretch the field and engineered touchdown drives of 56, 65 and 66 yards on the way to a 21-3 halftime lead.

"I thought we moved the ball well today," said receiver James Jones, who stayed hot with four catches for 46 yards and two touchdowns. "Second half, the first four drives they got us, but first half we moved the ball up and down the field and probably left another score out there.

"We just have to be consistent."

The first series of the second half gave Indianapolis life.

McCarthy threw on all four plays, one of which resulted in a holding penalty and another an interception. The interception came on a third and 2 from the Packers' 28.

The next series was three passes, one of which resulted in a 5-yard sack and another an illegal forward pass. Green got the ball three times on the next series, but he managed 1, 1 and minus-4 yards on a drive that ended with kicker Mason Crosby missing the first of two 50-yard-plus field goals.

After that, Green carried just two more times before breaking off his 41-yard run.

He admitted it might have taken him a little while to get acclimated, especially since he had carried only twice this season after an off-season rehabilitating a knee reconstruction. But he said he got enough practice snaps this week to be prepared.

"Yeah, I hadn't played this much this year," Green said. "I guess you could say that, (that) it took a little while to get used to the defense and things like that and get situated with the offense and things like that.

"But once the ball got to me I tried to make the best play possible. One thing about being a running back is getting downhill, so I just tried to do the best I could do to get downhill and not mess up."

Green's 41-yard run was an inside zone play where the seas parted nicely for him and he was able to run past the linebackers and down the sideline. Of all the backs the Packers have, Green is the fastest and he showed it on that carry.

He finished with 55 yards on nine carries.

"We have to figure out a way to win these games," Sitton said. "I know it's not easy to win in this league. It's pretty obvious. We jump out and same story, we get shut down. We have to close out the game. We have to find a way at the end."
Wade  
#28 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 5:17:35 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
why is this shit so obvious to EVERYONE but NOTHING gets done about it?

it's been the same shit every week!

long developing plays = sacks! esspecially when the D is taking away the deep routs you are constantly forcing....

what ever happened to our "bread and butter" slants? quick passing game that was emphasized ALL offseason?


we are 5 weeks in and we havn't fixed anything.

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Well, we did have one screen pass.[sarcasm]

zombieslayer  
#29 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:14:49 AM(UTC)
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zombieslayer  
#30 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:15:37 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
why is this shit so obvious to EVERYONE but NOTHING gets done about it?

it's been the same shit every week!

long developing plays = sacks! esspecially when the D is taking away the deep routs you are constantly forcing....

what ever happened to our "bread and butter" slants? quick passing game that was emphasized ALL offseason?


we are 5 weeks in and we havn't fixed anything.

](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


play2win  
#31 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:44:00 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
why is this shit so obvious to EVERYONE but NOTHING gets done about it?

it's been the same shit every week!

long developing plays = sacks! esspecially when the D is taking away the deep routs you are constantly forcing....

what ever happened to our "bread and butter" slants? quick passing game that was emphasized ALL offseason?


we are 5 weeks in and we havn't fixed anything.

](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


Absolutely. This was a pathetic job of play calling by the Packers. Either it is on Clements or Rodgers for the actual calls, but McCarthy is ultimately responsible. Horrible, pathetic job either way.
play2win  
#32 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:47:27 AM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post


"We're up 21-3 at halftime and we sort of changed our game plan in the second half and we couldn't do (expletive)," an obviously angry guard T.J. Lang said. "They knew all we were doing was throwing the ball so they were coming with everything they had."

This was not the first time we've been in this situation. How stupid is the man who keeps making the same mistakes over and over, expecting different results? McCarthy needs to change this, and damn fast.

Genius.... Really???
PackFanWithTwins  
#33 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 8:50:03 AM(UTC)
Last 4 qtrs. When running the ball, 0 sacks. When not running, something like 13.

Do we need to have more reason than that?
zombieslayer  
#34 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 3:53:40 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Last 4 qtrs. When running the ball, 0 sacks. When not running, something like 13.

Do we need to have more reason than that?


Just had to do some fact checking. 3rd Q vs the Colts:
Quote:


Green Bay - 0:15
1st-10, GB25 0:15 A. Green rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss

4th Quarter

Green Bay continued
2nd-12, GB23 15:00 A. Rodgers incomplete pass down the middle
3rd-12, GB23 14:57 A. Rodgers sacked by D. Freeney
4th-16, GB19 14:26 T. Masthay punt. T. Hilton returned punt for 7 yards


4th Q vs the Colts:
Quote:


Green Bay - 7:58
1st-10, GB26 7:58 A. Rodgers passed to J. Jones to the right for 24 yard gain
1st-10, 50 7:28 A. Green rushed to the right for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, IND45 6:53 A. Rodgers sacked by M. Fokou
3rd-11, GB49 6:22 A. Rodgers sacked by C. Redding
4th-18, GB42 5:47 T. Masthay punt, no return


I don't think it was that simple. I think during half-time, the Colts' coach must have given one hell of a half-time speech that fired up the Colts while we got complacent.
Rios39  
#35 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 4:15:21 PM(UTC)
We are going to need to shorten up the routes and run the ball out of the I formation maybe even bring the wishbone back..
wpr  
#36 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 5:07:53 PM(UTC)
Packers Are Terrible When They Don’t Run

Quote:
We’ve been harping on this theme for a number of weeks, but now we actually have some numbers to the prove the point — the Green Bay Packers are terrible when they don’t run the ball.

Since 2010, when the Packers drop back to pass more than 70 percent of the time they’re 2-8. They’ve now done that three times this season and they’ve lost each game.

Sunday was another one of those occasions. The Packers dropped back to pass 74 percent of the time. You saw what happened. The Colts defense teed off the Packers shitty offensive line, sacking quarterback Aaron Rodgers five times. They also dropped both of their safeties so the deep ball was nowhere to be found.

Still, Mike McCarthy decided to go out there and wing it around anyway.

Buffoon!

The Packers were well on their way to a probable blowout of the Colts in the first half. Then running back Cedric Benson went down. While he was in the game, the Packers were running nearly as much as they were passing (53 percent). After he left, the Packers passed 77 percent of the time.

In the Packers other two losses this season, they passed 85 percent of the time against the 49ers and 78 percent of the time against Seattle.

See a pattern here, buffoon?

Ah, fuck it, let’s just go deep on every play. We’re bound to hit a couple of them!

For the record, the Packers are 29-3 since 2010 when they pass less than 70 percent of the time.


Somewhat distorted "stat". It doesn't take into account the fact that you pass more when trailing (not this week.) and run more when you are up by 2-3 scores.
nerdmann  
#37 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 5:30:23 PM(UTC)
We all know what is going on with that.

So, apparently does TJ Lang.

Everybody knows what this team needs to do in order to win.

Now all Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers have to do is, THAT.

There's no excuse this year. The defense is improved.
macbob  
#38 Posted : Monday, October 8, 2012 7:34:04 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Packers Are Terrible When They Don’t Run



Somewhat distorted "stat". It doesn't take into account the fact that you pass more when trailing (not this week.) and run more when you are up by 2-3 scores.


True, WPR, but Mike McCarthy has been abandoning the run in close games (or, as in this week, when we were ahead).

For example, first half of the Seahawks games 27 passes, 3 runs. Score was 0-0 until 6:22 left in the 2nd quarter.
yooperfan  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:16:56 AM(UTC)
I would like to see the Packers run the ball 25 times a game and use a short quick throw passing game.
I'm tired of seeeing Rodgers holding unto the ball looking for the "long bomb" and ultimately getting smucked.
McCarthy is obviously a stubborn man and I don't expect him to change though.
zombieslayer  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:08:55 AM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I would like to see the Packers run the ball 25 times a game and use a short quick throw passing game.
I'm tired of seeeing Rodgers holding unto the ball looking for the "long bomb" and ultimately getting smucked.
McCarthy is obviously a stubborn man and I don't expect him to change though.


I would just like to see Aaron Rodgers release the **** ball instead of trying to setup the long bomb every play. I saw a few receivers open underneath when Aaron Rodgers ignored them and looked deep vs the Colts. We need to stop doing that.
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