Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
2 Pages12>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:45:15 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,779
Clay Matthews, tweeted said:
If the NFL really wants to increase player safety, start protecting players on BOTH sides of the ball. . . . Where is the NFL's protection on blocks below the waist like that on Cushing. Double standard!


unknown Packer Player said:
It’s definitely on us as players. But I think the refs are out to get us this year.


I said earlier that I think the Seahawks outcome has tweaked this teams psyche and they are more concerned with the referee's making the call than they are about the opponent. This really bothers me.
Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:30:23 AM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 9/26/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 583
I don't think that Matthews tweet has anything to do with refs. It is simply about some players being protected with hits that have low likely hood of ending a career. Perry hit on Luck for example, and other hits that could, like a desperation chop block on Cushing.

The second comment I think would depend on who made it. I could see a defensive player more specifically getting this in their head. Shields probably more than anybody. but that also is a pretty common thought in DBs. Not out to get a team as in a position or positional group like DBs. Heck we have seen for years, every time one makes a play, the first thing they have to do is look to see if a flag was thrown.

thanks Post received 1 applause.
dyeah_gb on 10/10/2012(UTC)
Offline dyeah_gb  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:37:37 PM(UTC)

Rank: Member
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 41
Applause Received: 46
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
.. Heck we have seen for years, every time one makes a play, the first thing they have to do is look to see if a flag was thrown.




This is a point I want to emphasize as well. It has gotten to the point that every damn incompletion requires the QB or WR to whine for a PI call. I don't want to see the Pack act that way and it annoys the hell out of me when I see other teams do it.

Offline nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:49:37 PM(UTC)

Rank: Select Member
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,617
Applause Received: 882
dyeah_gb said: Go to Quoted Post
This is a point I want to emphasize as well. It has gotten to the point that every damn incompletion requires the QB or WR to whine for a PI call. I don't want to see the Pack act that way and it annoys the hell out of me when I see other teams do it.



They need to clean up the PI rule.

No question about that.

I DO believe there are untoward influences in the NFL.

FIRST: I believe that the rules favor offensive players in an attempt to increase scoring and "highlight reel" type plays.

SECOND: I do believe the referees have an agenda to try to keep games close, again to maximize television viewership.

There is money in gambling, and I do believe that some of that goes on, as far as game fixing or point shaving and whatnot. HOWEVER, imo the biggest untoward influence in the game comes from Goodell himself. He wants television ratings and the money that comes with it, at all costs, including that of the integrity of the game.

That said, my biggest secret fear is that I'll wake up one day and be unpopular. 8-[
Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:56:00 PM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 9/26/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 583
If the NFL really cared about player safety, they would let PI go and defenders to defend receivers. It would lower the number of passes because of tighter coverage, and players would be less willing to light up the WR if they knew their teammate was covering them tight.
thanks Post received 2 applause.
Pack93z on 10/10/2012(UTC), DakotaT on 10/10/2012(UTC)
Offline Gaycandybacon  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:12:54 PM(UTC)

Rank: Registered
United States
Joined: 9/17/2012(UTC)
Location: Hanover Park, IL
Applause Given: 145
Applause Received: 178
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
If the NFL really cared about player safety, they would let PI go and defenders to defend receivers. It would lower the number of passes because of tighter coverage, and players would be less willing to light up the WR if they knew their teammate was covering them tight.


I think they should let you challenge PI reguardless of tipped passes and what not. Because it is by far the most called penaltie.
Offline Gaycandybacon  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:16:38 PM(UTC)

Rank: Registered
United States
Joined: 9/17/2012(UTC)
Location: Hanover Park, IL
Applause Given: 145
Applause Received: 178
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I said earlier that I think the Seahawks outcome has tweaked this teams psyche and they are more concerned with the referee's making the call than they are about the opponent. This really bothers me.


That "unknown packer" was probably TJ Lang.Tongue
Offline Wade  
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:22:21 AM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 783
Applause Received: 792
IMO the worst change in the rules in my lifetime was the 5-yard chuck rule. Allow bump and run coverage (and pushing off until the ball is in the air, then hands off.

Interference still will be a judgment call, but would be a lot simpler for morons like the lawyers-in-stripes to call. "I saw the ball in the air. You initiated the contact I saw. Penalty. STFU."

Of course the modern receiver is such a wuss that pass completions would fall by 50 percent for a couple years.

But it'd be worth it.

Offline Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:48:59 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,779
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
IMO the worst change in the rules in my lifetime was the 5-yard chuck rule. Allow bump and run coverage (and pushing off until the ball is in the air, then hands off.


That's very unreasonable as it requires a lot of judgment. The rules need less judgement, less gray area. The NFL needs more black/white rules, not more gray area rules. They need to let players play more and eliminate all these little "loopholes" in the current rules.
Offline Porforis  
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:28:43 AM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Applause Given: 198
Applause Received: 394
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
That's very unreasonable as it requires a lot of judgment. The rules need less judgement, less gray area. The NFL needs more black/white rules, not more gray area rules. They need to let players play more and eliminate all these little "loopholes" in the current rules.


No touching until the receiver has the ball in his hands! Do NOT touch the quarterback!
Offline Yerko  
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:38:07 AM(UTC)

Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 10/15/2008(UTC)
Location: Chicago, IL
Applause Given: 179
Applause Received: 316
I wouldn't be surprised or upset if that "unknown player" was Sam Shields. The guy has played good defense and been interfered with more than a receiver, yet he gets called for PI.

The calls all around so far have been blatantly horrible, from pass interference to roughing the passer. I still can't believe some people agree with the roughing the passer hit by Perry...that is a text book tackle to me.

Roger Goodell has officially ruined football with all these rules.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:29:10 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,779
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
No touching until the receiver has the ball in his hands! Do NOT touch the quarterback!


I would rather see the CB and WR bump and touch as much as they want, as long as they don't restrict the arms/hands in any fashion. Let the best man win.

As for the aiming at the knees, I think it should be avoided and helmet to helmet hits and forearms to the head as well.
Offline steveishere  
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:12:44 AM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2013

Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 7/28/2012(UTC)
Applause Given: 54
Applause Received: 1,235
I don't know I could definitely see the "out to get us" comment being sort of tongue in cheek and not in reference to some sort of conspiracy. It's impossible to know the context being that it's in writing and anonymous.

I kind of agree with Clay. There is no reason a 300+lb man has to dive into a 250lb mans knee to block him. I don't see any detriment to the game by making guys block someone standing up instead of diving at them.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:14:42 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,779
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't know I could definitely see the "out to get us" comment being sort of tongue in cheek and not in reference to some sort of conspiracy. It's impossible to know the context being that it's in writing and anonymous.


"every joke has a little bit of truth to it."


I personally want the previous week's games a far distant memory, and not even joked about or tongue in cheek'd about or anything weeks later. You don't move on, the NFL will pass you by and you'll be 2 - 3 going against a 5 - 0 team on Sunday Night in front of the country.
Offline Wade  
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:20:38 PM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 783
Applause Received: 792
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
That's very unreasonable as it requires a lot of judgment. The rules need less judgement, less gray area. The NFL needs more black/white rules, not more gray area rules. They need to let players play more and eliminate all these little "loopholes" in the current rules.


How does my rule require more judgment than the current mess?

All the official needs to do is "see ball in air" (which has to do already for the interference rule), then look down at DB/WR and see who initiates post-air contact first.

And it gets rid of all that crap about how far past 5 yards is too far. And the "incidental contact" part, too. In fact, eliminates the need for any illegal contact foul at all. Players can mug each other until the ball is in the air, and must play complete hands off afterward. One place of interpretation (first contact after airborne") only, not 3-4

How, short of saying there is no interference foul, is there a more black and white rule possible? Seriously.

(As an aside, I'd also change the penalty to a max 20 yards from LOS.)

Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (8h) : Fun. Took a few tweaks, but I like it. Upgraded work laptop too.
gbguy20 (10h) : how is it? still sitting on my download.
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Windows. 10. Baby!
Zero2Cool (29-Jul) : Get it going!
gbguy20 (29-Jul) : press conferences galore today and yesterday, new jersey unveiled WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT
gbguy20 (29-Jul) : First practice is tomorrow, why have i seen literally no talk about this on the forum?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Steelers August 23 game vs. Green Bay moved to 1 p.m.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul) : I was saying before it would be awesome if he did a story a week on YouTube or something.
Cheesey (22-Jul) : They should make a DVD of just stories from the "Favre years". It would be awesome!
Zero2Cool (19-Jul) : That was really awesome. I wish more stories were told.
Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Wanna watch it?
dhazer (18-Jul) : Packers all day including the ceremony tonight in chat
dhazer (18-Jul) : why doesnt this work
Smokey (18-Jul) : less posting = less abuse
gbguy20 (18-Jul) : smokey lives
Smokey (17-Jul) : Perfect ?
Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : Perfect time to clean the shouty boxy ;-)
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl 50
Sunday, Sep 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Sep 20 @ 7:30 PM
SEAHAWKS
Monday, Sep 28 @ 7:30 PM
CHIEFS
Sunday, Oct 4 @ 3:25 PM
at 49ers
Sunday, Oct 11 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Oct 18 @ 3:25 PM
CHARGERS
Sunday, Oct 25 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Sunday, Nov 1 @ 7:30 PM
at Broncos
Sunday, Nov 8 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Sunday, Nov 15 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 22 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Thursday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
BEARS
Thursday, Dec 3 @ 7:25 PM
at Lions
Sunday, Dec 13 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Sunday, Dec 20 @ 3:05 PM
at Raiders
Sunday, Dec 27 @ 3:25 PM
at Cardinals
Sunday, Jan 3 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

14h / Announcements / dfosterf

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackerTraxx

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / musccy


Tweeter