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Offline K_Buz  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:21:44 PM(UTC)
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I still think it was the right call, but it was a hell of a hit!

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:44:20 PM(UTC)
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Now that is how you hit a QB, when you come from the front side and the ball is being held low.

Head on the ball, wrap and tackle. Fumble forced.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:17:55 PM(UTC)
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There's a different angle where it shows he hit with the FRONT, not the crown of the helmet.

Kid needs to be encouraged. I just don't like the call.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:35:02 PM(UTC)
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Glad I didn't watch this game. That hit looks awesome. I am sure it swung momentum in their favor.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:27:10 AM(UTC)
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I hated that penalty. That was a fantastic play by Perry. Another of a litany of game changing poor calls by officials on the Packers. The other notable piss poor call that changed the game was the DPI on Shields, who also made a near perfect play in coverage, while, himself, being interfered with.

Fucking piss me off...

That's 2 bad, game changing calls against us v. IND. I think there were 3 missed calls v. NO. 3 v. SEA. We have to be in double digits on this, and it just is not fair play. While we blew all of our losses with poor play, poor officiating shouldn't be allowed to compound that.

The way I see it, we should have at least 2 more wins, with our team playing poorly. That is usually the mark of a good team, when you get the Ws despite not playing your best. The refs have made horribly bad calls in at least two of our three losses, completely affecting the outcome of those games in our opponent's favor...

Awesome play by Nick Perry!
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:30:56 AM(UTC)
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Geez. Maybe the NFL needs to bring in a bunch of 5'5" DL. Then of course, there will be a new rule for hitting the QB in the ding ding. Well, scratch that idea.
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Offline Pack93z  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:29:33 AM(UTC)
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You cannot lead with your head.. simple as that. The Rule is two part.. one defining the crown the other leading with the head.

Great play by Perry, except when he went to lower the boom, slide the head to the side and nail him.

I hate the rule, especially in light that it isn't reciprocated to protect the defensive players, but Perry should have adjusted his tackle.

This angle is hard, but the angle closer to what the Referee had, it is very clear that he lead with the head. Matters not the place upon the helmet that made contact, it was led with the head.

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Was it the worst I seen, nope not even the worst I have seen not called. But it was leading with the head.

Now, honestly, the NFL should not have the rule on the books unless it is helmet to helmet, as it really is designed to protect the tacklers more so than the player being struck. I get it the lower levels, to teach, here, piss on it, you want to damage your neck, so be it.

Personally, the rules protecting the candy ass QB's are bullshit, but I can't fault the Referee (in this case) from enforcing the horseshit rule. The NFL is guilty there.. I think they want you to lay out the pillow first, fluff it than smack the QB.

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline zombieslayer  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:14:57 AM(UTC)
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I agree with you Pack93z. The ref called the right penalty, but the rule itself is b.s.

What does the NFL want next? After each sack, the defensive player has to write an apology to the QB's Mom?
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:44:39 AM(UTC)
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The rule that bit Nick Perry is designed to eliminate players from using the helmet as a 'weapon'. As I said during chat, right call, but rule I disagree with.

The Sam Shields interference bothered me greatly compared to this one, especially since it wasn't the first time this season.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:05:48 PM(UTC)
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I still think that is stupid because running backs do it on almost every single fucking play. It is kind of hypocritical.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:08:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
I agree with you Pack93z. The ref called the right penalty, but the rule itself is b.s.

What does the NFL want next? After each sack, the defensive player has to write an apology to the QB's Mom?


No, they want the defensive player to remove his head from his shoulders before he tackles anyone.

These rules have nothing to do with player safety and everything to do with helping offenses to increase scoring plays. They're following the NBA model.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:32:57 PM(UTC)
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Nick Perry fined $15k for borderline shot on Andrew Luck
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Offline Pack93z  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:37:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Nick Perry fined $15k for borderline shot on Andrew Luck


Now that.. That is utter bullshit.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:47:51 PM(UTC)
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To all that say the Packers aren't tough... C'MON MAN!
Who knows, the way things were going, if we got that fumble/no call... could/would we of won the game? This and the Shields call were 2 big god damn plays if you ask me. Also the Tramon int? No...no... the refs tooken enough heat right? ;)
Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:53:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Nick Perry fined $15k for borderline shot on Andrew Luck


What a crock? It was a perfect hit on a QB in the pocket. How else is he suppose to hit?

Great hit
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Offline Pack93z  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:58:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
What a crock? It was a perfect hit on a QB in the pocket. How else is he suppose to hit?

Great hit


Can you run that forward a couple frames from that angle?
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:02:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
What a crock? It was a perfect hit on a QB in the pocket. How else is he suppose to hit?

Great hit


I feel bad for Perry man.. Gets a sack in his first game in the NFL... gets called back for doing something Clay always does. Then this... and an insult to injury 15k? Just keep doing what your doing Perry, your time will come!
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:32:47 PM(UTC)
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So you can't hit them in the legs. You can't hit them in the head. You can't hit them with your upper body first, unless you can remove your head first. Pretty soon we will see Clay have to pull up 2 ft from QB, turn and try to blow him over with a massive fart.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:32:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Nick Perry fined $15k for borderline shot on Andrew Luck


Can't hurt the NFL's future poster boy.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:42:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Can you run that forward a couple frames from that angle?


Sure I can, and it will make it look like a bad hit when it wasn't.

Here you go.
Still good hit

But when you look at the situation. Perry is approaching Luck. Luck's body is angled away from Perry so he is not hitting his square from the front or the side. It is a front quarter angle (when shooting a deer). In that situation, To properly hit Luck, You would try to hit him in the bicep/elbo area with your head to Luck's front. Exactly what Nick did.
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Offline Pack93z  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:45:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stevegb Go to Quoted Post
Can't hurt the NFL's future poster boy.


It isn't just this candy ass.. it is all the candy ass QB's. And it has been going on for almost 30 years in my experience. There is a reason I hate the QB position.. this is an example of such.

Defenders can get blown up by a pulling guard, blindsided by a receiver or worse yet cut and taken out.. just part of the game or great block. But pop the golden boy with just a wee bit of the trauma.. flag.. now in the NFL fines and or suspensions.

Why not just put a flag on their belt and bubble wrap the bitches.
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Offline Pack93z  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:49:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Sure I can, and it will make it look like a bad hit when it wasn't.

Here you go.
Still good hit



Thanks.

I agree that the situation played into it, but the hit fits the rule. Again bullshit, but I can't blame the ref for flagging it. I blame the rules committee.

It is no different than some of the defenseless receiver bullshit, the receivers move and when you are approaching to deliver the hit, you just can't always adjust.

I hate the rules.. I hate QB's in general.. but I can't fault the Ref for throwing the flag.


Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post


But when you look at the situation. Perry is approaching Luck. Luck's body is angled away from Perry so he is not hitting his square from the front or the side. It is a front quarter angle (when shooting a deer). In that situation, To properly hit Luck, You would try to hit him in the bicep/elbo area with your head to Luck's front. Exactly what Nick did.




I would have put my head to the backside and whacked him with the right shoulder with the right arm swiping at the ball. The QB is going to slide up in the pocket if anything, this will protect me from drawing the flag. I would rather have my hand/arm on the ball ripping at it than my helmet.

But I see what you are saying, it just ended poorly with the location of hat to chest.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:54:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Thanks.

I agree that the situation played into it, but the hit fits the rule. Again bullshit, but I can't blame the ref for flagging it. I blame the rules committee.

It is no different than some of the defenseless receiver bullshit, the receivers move and when you are approaching to deliver the hit, you just can't always adjust.

I hate the rules.. I hate QB's in general.. but I can't fault the Ref for throwing the flag.


I would have thrown the flag based on the rules and they way the game is called and what I thought I saw real time. And I would have been wrong also.. It was my first instinct when I saw the hit live. The ruling on the field for the flag was hit to the QB head which really didn't happen so now the NFL is fining for Leading with the crown.

Unless Goodell has some joint nobody else does, his head is on top of his shoulders as well. You can't tackle with your shoulder without the head being first.

I like that Rodgers has spoken up about his also. QB's need to start saying that it is BS, that they wear pads and sign up knowing they can be hit. Some protection I can see, but they went to far years ago and just keep going further.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:57:44 PM(UTC)
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Twins.. I assume you were at the game correct? I haven't seen that angle.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:05:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Twins.. I assume you were at the game correct? I haven't seen that angle.


No, that angle is available through NFL.com highlights.
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