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Offline yooperfan  
#16 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:09:46 AM(UTC)
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I agree, enough is enough.
I wanted him gone at the end of last season. Not only has he not improved on the field, he is poisoning the well in Green Bay.
Trade him for a bag of used K-balls and move on.
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#17 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:17:30 AM(UTC)
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It's pretty obvious most are exaggerating Jermichael Finley's comments into the negative realm, but if he chose his words better it wouldn't happen. Every reporter and journalist and wanna be blogger who lacks any journalistic fortitude uses Finley as fodder for page hits. Why? Because his openness makes him an easy target.

When the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010 without him, I was fine with Andrew Quarless and Co. taking over and the money being allocated else where. Yes, his mere presence opens things up, however, how has that worked this season for the Packers?

The players and coaches say a lot of positive things about Finley. We can say 'what else they gonna say' but keep in mind that Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang have been very blunt about things, even indirectly criticizing their head coach. There are players on this team that are not afraid to speak their mind about other players or coaches. Yet, all things are positive with Finley.

I'm quick to point out that Finley and Jordy Nelson have five drops each. Only because I'm objective where others lack it. ZING! It's not in defense of Finley.


I lost patience for Finley when he got hurt and missed most of the season. Then in 2011 I said okay, he's dropping balls, this is new for him. Worried about contract? Worried about the coach saying he needs to play a full season? Fine, so be it. 2012, new contract and played 16 games, right? I have nothing left to answer for his poor play.

Aside from the easy catches he drops ... the thing that really doesn't sit with me is ... the drops AND his showboating after making a routine play. A 12 yard catch on 2nd down is not a pound your chest moment. It's something you are EXPECTED to do.


I can think of several other players more deserving of this money.

2/22/2012: Signed a two-year, $14 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives. Finley is eligible for $300,000 offseason workout bonuses in each season.
2012: $950,000 (+ $3.5 million roster bonus)
2013: $4.45 million (+ $3.5 million roster bonus due in March)
2014: Free Agent

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#18 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:37:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley have dropped five passes each. Where's the Jordy Nelson bashing?


I've heard this from a number of people I respect, and it is a legit argument, to a point. Talking about THIS year, and the equal number of drops. However, you 1. don't hear Jordy mouthing off, proclaiming himself to be the best player at his position, while degrading the accomplishments of those who actually are, and 2. you don't see Jordy's drops being an issue that has been 3 years in the making.

As to Finley's blocking: "Before departing with a shoulder injury early in the third quarter, Finley had another critical drop on a short pass that probably would have given the Packers a first down just into Colts territory with 1 minute left in the half. That was disappointing enough, but his blocking was even worse. On a toss, Finley was late off the ball and couldn't cut off LB Dwight Freeney at the point, which knocked the blocking askew and wrecked the play. On an 18-yard screen pass, Finley had a variety of opponents that he could have looked up and decked as Cedric Benson slammed for 18. Because Finley doesn't play like a tough guy, he really didn't block anyone. His blocking probably is getting worse. He also had a motion penalty." http://www.jsonline.com/...y-4975869-173231521.html

I've seen Finley make some great blocks this year, and I've seen him make some really weak efforts. I've also seen him make a few great catches, along with some really bad drops of catchable, important balls. To me, he is not earning his keep here. Add the PR mess that he is and as been for the Packers, and his continued harping on a lack of "chemistry" with his QB, and, yeah, his shit is wearing thin.

The Big Unit, at 1250am likes to point to Nelson quite often in defense of Finley, insinuating a racial bias. Maybe there is some of that with -some- fans. Not me. I don't go for that stuff. I'll direct attention to those two points I mentioned regarding Jermichael Finley, and his lack of production. That is what it is. A lack of production and I think a bit of immaturity adding to a lack of professionalism.

I would get rid of him. He seems like a cancer to the team. He is not putting up, and he is not shutting up. Get rid of him. I'd rather have a slightly slower, shorter player who makes plays with consistency at the TE position than a prima dona physical wonder who continually misses important assignments.

He can turn that around by becoming more reliable and more professional, but I think we have been saying something along those lines for the past 3 or 4 years.

He reminds me a bit of Javon Walker. A friend of mine sat next to Javon on a plane ride, and described him to be like that big beautiful blonde with the big tits... dumb - as - a - doorknob.
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#19 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:49:36 AM(UTC)
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Again, I see people putting words in Finley's mouth based off what a journalist said, rather than his own words. This is why I hate reporters/journalists, etc ... they have no accountability at all.

An athlete will give two answers when asked about how's the best at their position. 1. Themselves (this is common) 2. They'll list off several who they HOPE to one day be mentioned in the same breath.

Like I said before, he's not worth the money, but he's not anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be. He's a talented player who is too open and choose words poorly and lacks professionalism on the field. He is not worth even $5 million a year, in my own personal ignorant opinion.

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#20 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:58:41 AM(UTC)
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I don't mind what Finley's saying too much, I'd prefer him not to say it but hes just saying he wants to play better and get more involved and that Arod and him should become better mates. It's not that big of a deal a bit immature but Finley's always had immaturity problems, AR's just gonna shrug it off anyway. Lets not read too far into this.
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#21 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:58:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Again, I see people putting words in Finley's mouth based off what a journalist said, rather than his own words. This is why I hate reporters/journalists, etc ... they have no accountability at all.

An athlete will give two answers when asked about how's the best at their position. 1. Themselves (this is common) 2. They'll list off several who they HOPE to one day be mentioned in the same breath.

Like I said before, he's not worth the money, but he's not anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be. He's a talented player who is too open and choose words poorly and lacks professionalism on the field. He is not worth even $5 million a year, in my own personal ignorant opinion.


Well, I've been a pretty huge fan of this team my whole life, just like yourself. I've read the clips, listened to the interviews, seen the plays, etc. Add all the stuff up and what do you get?

A couple years ago he was outright proclaiming that he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way. Then he gets injured. Then he is all YOTTO. Then he is ripping the team on the photo deal PRIOR to the SB being played, causing a distraction. Then it is YOTTO2, and what does he do? Shits the bed. More PR problems in the offseason/preseason with the lip and his agent. More shitting the bed THIS year. More public comments distracting the focus of the team...

What is it? Am I missing something? Because I sure would like to see him do well for the Packers.
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#22 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:07:41 AM(UTC)
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Here, look at this, and just replace the name "Walker" with "Finley":

"The Packers traded Walker, who had threatened to retire rather than play for the team in 2006, to the Denver Broncos for a second-round pick. The Broncos and Walker agreed to parameters for a six-year contract extension, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said.

"He's a great competitor," Shanahan said. "He has great speed, great size, very physical. He can turn a short gain into a big play. Very good blocker in the running game. That's one of the guys that I look at and call a complete receiver." Shanahan said the team was "fairly close" to agreeing on a new deal. "We've got the parameters of an agreement," Shanahan said. "It's basically going to be in that six-year time frame. Obviously, there's no contract being signed but we we've talked and we're fairly close."

Walker, coming off a serious knee injury as he enters the final year of his contract, said last month that he wanted to be traded. "It was a situation that was created some time ago, and it needed to end," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "And it ended today." http://usatoday30.usatod...04-29-walker-trade_x.htm

I would not mind seeing him traded for either picks or a player. Addition by subtraction. Won't happen though. McCarthy loves him.

Do I want to see Finley being a success in Green Bay? Absolutely. But, c'mon! Let's see it!!! How long do we let this ride?
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#23 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:36:17 AM(UTC)
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IMO, PFT has turned into a bunch of trolls. So I tend to discount everything they say just like I discount everything the ESPN trolls say (there are only two reasons for watching ESPN now. One's called Hannah. The other's called Sage).

And I have no doubt that in general the media is exaggerating Finley's "unhappiness"/"criticism". I take that as a given.

I am starting to wonder if he's another Javon Walker, though. (Anyone know what Finley did on the Wonderlic?) Walker's biggest problem wasn't that he was a malcontent; his problem seemed to be that he wasn't smart enough to keep from saying things the jackals found it easy to manipulate. And I am starting to think Finley may have the same problem.
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#24 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:37:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Here, look at this, and just replace the name "Walker" with "Finley":

"The Packers traded Walker, who had threatened to retire rather than play for the team in 2006, to the Denver Broncos for a second-round pick. The Broncos and Walker agreed to parameters for a six-year contract extension, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said.

"He's a great competitor," Shanahan said. "He has great speed, great size, very physical. He can turn a short gain into a big play. Very good blocker in the running game. That's one of the guys that I look at and call a complete receiver." Shanahan said the team was "fairly close" to agreeing on a new deal. "We've got the parameters of an agreement," Shanahan said. "It's basically going to be in that six-year time frame. Obviously, there's no contract being signed but we we've talked and we're fairly close."

Walker, coming off a serious knee injury as he enters the final year of his contract, said last month that he wanted to be traded. "It was a situation that was created some time ago, and it needed to end," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "And it ended today." http://usatoday30.usatod...04-29-walker-trade_x.htm

I would not mind seeing him traded for either picks or a player. Addition by subtraction. Won't happen though. McCarthy loves him.

Do I want to see Finley being a success in Green Bay? Absolutely. But, c'mon! Let's see it!!! How long do we let this ride?


Argh. Beat me to it, play2win! Applause

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#25 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:41:11 AM(UTC)
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Do I want Finley on my team... yes I do. He creates matchup issues.. if he is playing well (ie Catching the ball) he is even more effective.

Do I want him to zip the lip in terms of talking about the locker room type comments.. certainly.

I think Mike McCarthy or better yet, Rodgers, should camp out at his locker this week, haul him into a meeting room and deal with this.

How does it affect the locker room? No Idea.. probably never will.

But Finley is a blowhard.. best way to deal with a blowhard in my opinion. Pay little attention to their words.. and kill them with it.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#26 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:43:07 AM(UTC)
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The guy has to much talent to let go. I'm still standing by that. Remember, last year was the first year he started all 16 games and frankly played great other than the self preclaimed drops. 55 sum odd catches with 8 TDs. Which i'm not knocking we could of used him in the playoffs.

Name one TE in this division who is better? Pettigrew? Rudolf? Kellen Davis?! Are you kidding me?
And the last 2 years NFLs top tier TE's aren't exactly playing up to smuff this year. And I agree that doesn't excuse poor play..
But his Finley guy isn't half bad. You're weighing him to much on talking.. And honestly IMO the guy doesn't talk as much as you think.
Slow down the talk about getting rid of him till the offseason hits. Because you can make cases besides Jones and Cobb that the recieving core as a WHOLE isn't playing good enough.

And I hate being nastly biased and mean to the fan bases, so I aplogize for this...

STOP. BLAMING. ONE. PLAYER.
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#27 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:47:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Well, I've been a pretty huge fan of this team my whole life, just like yourself. I've read the clips, listened to the interviews, seen the plays, etc. Add all the stuff up and what do you get?

A couple years ago he was outright proclaiming that he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way. Then he gets injured. Then he is all YOTTO. Then he is ripping the team on the photo deal PRIOR to the SB being played, causing a distraction. Then it is YOTTO2, and what does he do? Shits the bed. More PR problems in the offseason/preseason with the lip and his agent. More shitting the bed THIS year. More public comments distracting the focus of the team...

What is it? Am I missing something? Because I sure would like to see him do well for the Packers.


Nick Barnett and Finley were both excluded (initially) from the team photo. Damn right they are going to be upset. Should they go about it publicly like Barnett did and then Finley? No.
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We got hurt playing for the team. Its not like we got injury bs’in around. And its a team rule! Shame . . . I never trip abt anything, but the way IR players are getting treated not cool… I guess its what have u done for me lately!


You and I and anyone would be pissed off and HURT by this. The issue was taking it public instead of in house.

As I said before, a lot of the things people use against him are slanted and taken out of context. I do read the interviews, I do watch them and I do listen to the questions asked. I stand firm on my opinion. He is NOT as bad as some make him out to be. He's a very immature 25 year old male who has a lot of talent.

I gave him sort of a pass last season for the drops for reasons mentioned already. I have no more reasoning with him this year and his drops, none. You want the ball, you want chemistry, catch the ball. I couldn't careless about the things he says because the Players and Coaches publicly state they like his passion. If they are okay with it, whatever. I just want production from his hands, not his showboating after catching a 12 yard pass on 2nd down when the team is losing.

Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.

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#28 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:50:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
But Finley is a blowhard.. best way to deal with a blowhard in my opinion. Pay little attention to their words.. and kill them with it.


Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.


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#29 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:55:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post


Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.


James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?
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#30 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:04:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.




Completely agreed. He is a fun loving type.. but exactly he has no filter. So, in effect, what I am saying is talk about things outside of the locker room. Hell talk about anything other than the relationships within the locker room. Especially after his dumbass agent stepped in shit a couple weeks ago.

He talks a ton.. so be it. He just needs to choose his topics with more care. IMO.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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