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play2win  
#21 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:58:42 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Again, I see people putting words in Finley's mouth based off what a journalist said, rather than his own words. This is why I hate reporters/journalists, etc ... they have no accountability at all.

An athlete will give two answers when asked about how's the best at their position. 1. Themselves (this is common) 2. They'll list off several who they HOPE to one day be mentioned in the same breath.

Like I said before, he's not worth the money, but he's not anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be. He's a talented player who is too open and choose words poorly and lacks professionalism on the field. He is not worth even $5 million a year, in my own personal ignorant opinion.


Well, I've been a pretty huge fan of this team my whole life, just like yourself. I've read the clips, listened to the interviews, seen the plays, etc. Add all the stuff up and what do you get?

A couple years ago he was outright proclaiming that he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way. Then he gets injured. Then he is all YOTTO. Then he is ripping the team on the photo deal PRIOR to the SB being played, causing a distraction. Then it is YOTTO2, and what does he do? Shits the bed. More PR problems in the offseason/preseason with the lip and his agent. More shitting the bed THIS year. More public comments distracting the focus of the team...

What is it? Am I missing something? Because I sure would like to see him do well for the Packers.
play2win  
#22 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:07:41 AM(UTC)
Here, look at this, and just replace the name "Walker" with "Finley":

"The Packers traded Walker, who had threatened to retire rather than play for the team in 2006, to the Denver Broncos for a second-round pick. The Broncos and Walker agreed to parameters for a six-year contract extension, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said.

"He's a great competitor," Shanahan said. "He has great speed, great size, very physical. He can turn a short gain into a big play. Very good blocker in the running game. That's one of the guys that I look at and call a complete receiver." Shanahan said the team was "fairly close" to agreeing on a new deal. "We've got the parameters of an agreement," Shanahan said. "It's basically going to be in that six-year time frame. Obviously, there's no contract being signed but we we've talked and we're fairly close."

Walker, coming off a serious knee injury as he enters the final year of his contract, said last month that he wanted to be traded. "It was a situation that was created some time ago, and it needed to end," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "And it ended today." http://usatoday30.usatod...04-29-walker-trade_x.htm

I would not mind seeing him traded for either picks or a player. Addition by subtraction. Won't happen though. McCarthy loves him.

Do I want to see Finley being a success in Green Bay? Absolutely. But, c'mon! Let's see it!!! How long do we let this ride?
Wade  
#23 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:36:17 AM(UTC)
IMO, PFT has turned into a bunch of trolls. So I tend to discount everything they say just like I discount everything the ESPN trolls say (there are only two reasons for watching ESPN now. One's called Hannah. The other's called Sage).

And I have no doubt that in general the media is exaggerating Finley's "unhappiness"/"criticism". I take that as a given.

I am starting to wonder if he's another Javon Walker, though. (Anyone know what Finley did on the Wonderlic?) Walker's biggest problem wasn't that he was a malcontent; his problem seemed to be that he wasn't smart enough to keep from saying things the jackals found it easy to manipulate. And I am starting to think Finley may have the same problem.
Wade  
#24 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:37:04 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Here, look at this, and just replace the name "Walker" with "Finley":

"The Packers traded Walker, who had threatened to retire rather than play for the team in 2006, to the Denver Broncos for a second-round pick. The Broncos and Walker agreed to parameters for a six-year contract extension, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said.

"He's a great competitor," Shanahan said. "He has great speed, great size, very physical. He can turn a short gain into a big play. Very good blocker in the running game. That's one of the guys that I look at and call a complete receiver." Shanahan said the team was "fairly close" to agreeing on a new deal. "We've got the parameters of an agreement," Shanahan said. "It's basically going to be in that six-year time frame. Obviously, there's no contract being signed but we we've talked and we're fairly close."

Walker, coming off a serious knee injury as he enters the final year of his contract, said last month that he wanted to be traded. "It was a situation that was created some time ago, and it needed to end," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "And it ended today." http://usatoday30.usatod...04-29-walker-trade_x.htm

I would not mind seeing him traded for either picks or a player. Addition by subtraction. Won't happen though. McCarthy loves him.

Do I want to see Finley being a success in Green Bay? Absolutely. But, c'mon! Let's see it!!! How long do we let this ride?


Argh. Beat me to it, play2win! =d>

Pack93z  
#25 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:41:11 AM(UTC)
Do I want Finley on my team... yes I do. He creates matchup issues.. if he is playing well (ie Catching the ball) he is even more effective.

Do I want him to zip the lip in terms of talking about the locker room type comments.. certainly.

I think Mike McCarthy or better yet, Rodgers, should camp out at his locker this week, haul him into a meeting room and deal with this.

How does it affect the locker room? No Idea.. probably never will.

But Finley is a blowhard.. best way to deal with a blowhard in my opinion. Pay little attention to their words.. and kill them with it.
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Gaycandybacon  
#26 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:43:07 AM(UTC)
The guy has to much talent to let go. I'm still standing by that. Remember, last year was the first year he started all 16 games and frankly played great other than the self preclaimed drops. 55 sum odd catches with 8 TDs. Which i'm not knocking we could of used him in the playoffs.

Name one TE in this division who is better? Pettigrew? Rudolf? Kellen Davis?! Are you kidding me?
And the last 2 years NFLs top tier TE's aren't exactly playing up to smuff this year. And I agree that doesn't excuse poor play..
But his Finley guy isn't half bad. You're weighing him to much on talking.. And honestly IMO the guy doesn't talk as much as you think.
Slow down the talk about getting rid of him till the offseason hits. Because you can make cases besides Jones and Cobb that the recieving core as a WHOLE isn't playing good enough.

And I hate being nastly biased and mean to the fan bases, so I aplogize for this...

STOP. BLAMING. ONE. PLAYER.
Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:47:52 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, I've been a pretty huge fan of this team my whole life, just like yourself. I've read the clips, listened to the interviews, seen the plays, etc. Add all the stuff up and what do you get?

A couple years ago he was outright proclaiming that he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way. Then he gets injured. Then he is all YOTTO. Then he is ripping the team on the photo deal PRIOR to the SB being played, causing a distraction. Then it is YOTTO2, and what does he do? Shits the bed. More PR problems in the offseason/preseason with the lip and his agent. More shitting the bed THIS year. More public comments distracting the focus of the team...

What is it? Am I missing something? Because I sure would like to see him do well for the Packers.


Nick Barnett and Finley were both excluded (initially) from the team photo. Damn right they are going to be upset. Should they go about it publicly like Barnett did and then Finley? No.
Jermichael Finley said:
We got hurt playing for the team. Its not like we got injury bs’in around. And its a team rule! Shame . . . I never trip abt anything, but the way IR players are getting treated not cool… I guess its what have u done for me lately!


You and I and anyone would be pissed off and HURT by this. The issue was taking it public instead of in house.

As I said before, a lot of the things people use against him are slanted and taken out of context. I do read the interviews, I do watch them and I do listen to the questions asked. I stand firm on my opinion. He is NOT as bad as some make him out to be. He's a very immature 25 year old male who has a lot of talent.

I gave him sort of a pass last season for the drops for reasons mentioned already. I have no more reasoning with him this year and his drops, none. You want the ball, you want chemistry, catch the ball. I couldn't careless about the things he says because the Players and Coaches publicly state they like his passion. If they are okay with it, whatever. I just want production from his hands, not his showboating after catching a 12 yard pass on 2nd down when the team is losing.

Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.
Zero2Cool  
#28 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:50:09 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
But Finley is a blowhard.. best way to deal with a blowhard in my opinion. Pay little attention to their words.. and kill them with it.


Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.

Gaycandybacon  
#29 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:55:52 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post


Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.


James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?
Pack93z  
#30 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:04:00 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.




Completely agreed. He is a fun loving type.. but exactly he has no filter. So, in effect, what I am saying is talk about things outside of the locker room. Hell talk about anything other than the relationships within the locker room. Especially after his dumbass agent stepped in shit a couple weeks ago.

He talks a ton.. so be it. He just needs to choose his topics with more care. IMO.
Gaycandybacon  
#31 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:14:13 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Completely agreed. He is a fun loving type.. but exactly he has no filter. So, in effect, what I am saying is talk about things outside of the locker room. Hell talk about anything other than the relationships within the locker room. Especially after his dumbass agent stepped in shit a couple weeks ago.

He talks a ton.. so be it. He just needs to choose his topics with more care. IMO.


I agree to the fact that the media and fans make excuses when players talk more than others. Like they made it a big deal when Rodgers called out the rookies on the radio. Who the fuck cares?! First they question the guys leadership, now this?

It's like everyone is making Finley out to be Ochocinco esk.... Fucking ridiculous.... You don't see Finley knocking his wife upside the head.

I've seen Finleys off the field stuff and wheather people agree or not he is a great guy and a family person just like everyone in the Packers locker room.
zombieslayer  
#32 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:32:15 AM(UTC)
It would be in Finley's best interest if he chooses to remain a Packer to fire his agent and hire a different one.
Zero2Cool  
#33 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:45:28 AM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?


I was understanding of Finley's drops last season. I said over and over, he didn't have a problem with drops previously, so perhaps its a focus thing that he's worried about contract and showing coach he can play 16 games. He played 16. He got a contract. YET THE DROPS CONTINUE! And yet when making a 12 yard catch on 2nd down while losing he show boats?? He's costing something like $8 million!

James Jones, I was very understanding with him too, many here wanted him cut or traded for a bag of k-balls. I supported him because he's one of my favorite WR to watch MAKE the catch. He has soft hands. His problem as I mentioned and he later acknowledged publicly, he has a problem with over the shoulder passes.

2011 only one WR had more drops than James Jones (6), and that was Donald Driver (8).


Finley is from Houston, if he doesn't have a breakout game here ... I don't think he will. He's a matchup nightmare, but if you can't catch the ball, what's the point?
Gaycandybacon  
#34 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:54:03 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I was understanding of Finley's drops last season. I said over and over, he didn't have a problem with drops previously, so perhaps its a focus thing that he's worried about contract and showing coach he can play 16 games. He played 16. He got a contract. YET THE DROPS CONTINUE! And yet when making a 12 yard catch on 2nd down while losing he show boats?? He's costing something like $8 million!

James Jones, I was very understanding with him too, many here wanted him cut or traded for a bag of k-balls. I supported him because he's one of my favorite WR to watch MAKE the catch. He has soft hands. His problem as I mentioned and he later acknowledged publicly, he has a problem with over the shoulder passes.

2011 only one WR had more drops than James Jones (6), and that was Donald Driver (8).


Finley is from Houston, if he doesn't have a breakout game here ... I don't think he will. He's a matchup nightmare, but if you can't catch the ball, what's the point?


So you think he droped balls to prevent injurys?

And about the show boating thing... cmon who doesn't get pumped over first downs? So he points his arm out foward after a play big woop...it's not like we were losing the game..
Rockmolder  
#35 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:58:40 AM(UTC)
He's one of those guys that'll never reach his full potential. I think it's better to just cut your losses now and get it over with. Maybe it'll flip a switch in his head which makes him succesful with his next team or he'll just jump from team to team and sizzle out.

Either way, letting him go after this year would be in our best interest.

Fuck you, Jermichael. Fuck you and your trivia contests.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:01:39 AM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
So you think he droped balls to prevent injurys?

And about the show boating thing... cmon who doesn't get pumped over first downs? So he points his arm out foward after a play big woop...it's not like we were losing the game..


See what you did there? Putting words in my mouth. :) I'm saying worrying about contract and worrying about showing coach he can play 16 games knocked his focus out of whack. I think I need to copy/paste that statement cuz I seem to be typing it a lot, lol.

I don't think he's afraid to get hit.


Being excited and showing excitement is great, when it's earned. When you dropped a 3rd down pass that would have been a first down and later catch a 2nd down pass for a first down ... you don't showboat you're losing, you just don't do that. Since you like twisting my words around here, to be clear, I'm not saying to trade/drop him because of showboating. I just don't feel his production equals his contract and with other important players like Clay Matthews III and Aaron Rodgers need money, I'd rather see it go to them.
zombieslayer  
#37 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:07:42 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
He's one of those guys that'll never reach his full potential. I think it's better to just cut your losses now and get it over with. Maybe it'll flip a switch in his head which makes him succesful with his next team or he'll just jump from team to team and sizzle out.

Either way, letting him go after this year would be in our best interest.

Fuck you, Jermichael. Fuck you and your trivia contests.


I take it Finley never gave you your glove.
Gaycandybacon  
#38 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:09:30 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
See what you did there? Putting words in my mouth. :) I'm saying worrying about contract and worrying about showing coach he can play 16 games knocked his focus out of whack. I think I need to copy/paste that statement cuz I seem to be typing it a lot, lol. i'd

I don't think he's afraid to get hit.


Being excited and showing excitement is great, when it's earned. When you dropped a 3rd down pass that would have been a first down and later catch a 2nd down pass for a first down ... you don't showboat you're losing, you just don't do that. Since you like twisting my words around here, to be clear, I'm not saying to trade/drop him because of showboating. I just don't feel his production equals his contract and with other important players like Clay Matthews III and Aaron Rodgers need money, I'd rather see it go to them.


I agree he made key drops that leads to losing. But I meant when he showboats it's not when we're losing. At least from what I've seen. I also agree that he gets to much of payday. When the likes of other players are on their last year of their contracts. And include Greg to that list. WHICH I'd keep him 10 times over Finley. Even baring Injurys.
Zero2Cool  
#39 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:16:22 AM(UTC)
You're right, showing excitement even when losing can be good because it can get guys riled up and get the adrenaline going. What I have an issue with is when YOU could have prevented the team from falling behind or tacking on points by catching that 3rd down pass and then showboat on a catch later that is essentially unimportant to the outcome of the game ... that just doesn't seem right to me.

TimeToThink  
#40 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:26:40 AM(UTC)
Finley talks a bigger game than he's ever shown.

Guy has all the physical talent in the world. He just doesn't have that intangible quality. And he not-so-subtly blames everything and everyone but himself, which is the difference between him and players like Driver, Jennings and Nelson. When they play bad, they don't slyly point the finger at their QB.

I'm over him. And I can only hope Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are over him, too.
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