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zombieslayer  
#81 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 8:44:14 AM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Watt can have the personal achievements, Clay and the Pack will take the win any day. Matthews dominated their run game any time they came his way. May not be sexy on the stat sheet but it was far more effective.

I do wish the Pack had Watt though. Guy's an animal.


True. Whereas CM3 didn't have the sacks to brag about, he did play the run extremely well. As did Hawk, who this year is playing like a 1st round draft pick. =d>
wpr  
#82 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 8:56:49 AM(UTC)
flep said: Go to Quoted Post
It's Monday Morning 10:34 in the UK and after 4 1/2 hours sleep it feels good to be a Packer fan.

Great performance in all facets of the game.

We needed a statement and we got one.


Yeah I had to get up at 530 this morning. I got a little more sleep but not a whole lot. It still feels good. I might try and catch a nap after work. Can't go to bed too early. I have a baseball game tonight.
wpr  
#83 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:01:20 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post


James Jones said:
I ain’t never seen him that focused. He was extremely focused today. You could see it in his eyes. You could see it when he talked to us.

You know, he calls us up before every game, and he was just like, ‘I’m going to be the lead dog. Follow me. I’m going to make some plays. I haven’t been playing that well. I’m going to make some plays.’



He may have been more focused but the truth of the matter is he had more time last night. it only takes a little success running the ball to give him the time to compete the palys. many of his passes where are a little scramble or moving in the pocket and allowing his receivers to get free.
Aaron Rodgers can be focused and want it all he wants if he only has .5 sec to drop back, read the defense, look for the open receiver and then chuck the rock it ain't goin to happen.
play2win  
#84 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02:27 AM(UTC)
29 rushing attempts by our RBs!!!

Our run D held the most prolific RB in the NFL to 100 yds LESS than his average!

Key players stepped in for their injured teammates, and played one hell of a game.

Kudos to Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson, Jones and Crabtree on getting the passing game back on track. Also have to give a big shout to the OL and to McCarthy for dialing in all those runs. It was a thing of beauty.
zombieslayer  
#85 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:06:34 AM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Not a head scratcher, when you're leading you run more to run the clock out.

That said, having an at least marginally effective run game, particularly on some of the draw plays, and running it often enough to make the opposing defense stop and think seemed to slow their pass rush and let our pass attack shine. You talked about this in another post. This is what we need to do. We may not have the most balanced offense, and we're not built to. If we play it like we did tonight though we make the other team at least think about the run and that hesitation is all Rodgers and company need when they're on their game.

After finishing this post I feel like your "head scratcher" line might have been sarcastic... hard to read tone.


Sort of sarcastic.

This is more of a response to the "we need a good RB" myth that has been harped on consistently by football fans. We don't need a "good" RB. We just need NFL caliber RBs, which means somewhere in the top 100 of the position. Yes, that's all we really need.

A good OL should open up the holes where any of the top 100 RBs in the NFL could get 3+ ypc, and that's pretty much all you need. Top $$$ should be spent on D, as from my research, D wins Championships, and secondary in importance is an elite QB. RBs don't matter, and don't even figure in the equation of who wins Championships.

Through my research, I found I was wrong about the %s of pass/run. I thought we could go 65/35. You can't do that all season long. High 50s is about the right %. And too much rushing (50% or more) is also a bad thing.

In the game last night, we got to see Green get 22 carries. The 67 yards would actually be considered "mediocre," but that's fine. Mediocre RBs are ideal as like I've said, the yards don't matter. All that matters are the carries.

You'll get the yards if you have a decent OL. Benson, Green, Starks, Ryan Grant, and probably Brandon Seine could all be thrown back there and the game results will be the same.

Green did what he was supposed to do - hold on to the football and get 3+ ypc. That's it. That's all you really need from a RB.

From a Packers' perspective, bonus if the RB can catch passes and block.
flep  
#86 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:07:06 AM(UTC)
Just realised when Greg Jennings comes back this passing O can only get better, Jordy stepped up big time last night.

You can't double team them both because that will leave Jones and Cobb open nearly every play.

No need for our opponents to cover Finley though.
DarkaneRules  
#87 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:40:04 AM(UTC)
Do you guys think that Raji is overvalued as a run defender? Pickett seemed much more effective in there and even our nickel seems well equipped to step up over that with Neal and Worthy together.
Pack93z  
#88 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:49:38 AM(UTC)
Some unheralded game balls.

Pickett, Worthy and CJ Wilson... those boys played a whale of a game. Worthy at times was blowing people up.

Hawk to me, was as much if not more valuable last night than Matthews. This years attacking version of Hawk.. this is the AJ of OSU that I remember. As impressed with him as every in his Packer career.

Tim Mastay. He consistently flipped the field for the Packers last night. Dropping punts in.. booming them when needed. A+

Alex Green. Consistently found and exploited creases.. ran with power when needed. You could see it in Starks eyes.. he has work to do in order to pick up carries.


Different note.. the biggest loss from the DJ Smith injury.. his coverage skills will be missed if he is on the shelf for the season. My Opinion.. on the best coverage backers in the league.
nerdmann  
#89 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:57:40 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
True. Whereas CM3 didn't have the sacks to brag about, he did play the run extremely well. As did Hawk, who this year is playing like a 1st round draft pick. =d>


That's fine, but others were getting the sacks instead. Worthy even got in on the action, which was great to see.
Cheesey  
#90 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 10:00:14 AM(UTC)
Wow.....i was proved wrong....YEAH!!!!

Was that James Jones out there??? Man.....he stepped it up, as did Nelson and Cobb.
We were helped greatly by penalties by the Texans, and the great part was, we took advantage of them!
This was the Packer team i wanted to see.
nerdmann  
#91 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 10:01:24 AM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you guys think that Raji is overvalued as a run defender? Pickett seemed much more effective in there and even our nickel seems well equipped to step up over that with Neal and Worthy together.


Raji's not known as a run defender. He's a pass rushing NT.

Pickett is the run stuffer of the group.
Pack93z  
#92 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 11:13:10 AM(UTC)
Thought it might be interesting to see what the Texans rag had to say about the game.. some of the articles.


Source...

Quote:
QB: C-minus

Matt Schaub was under tremendous pressure from the start. He was sacked three times – the same number as the first five games. He also threw two interceptions, the same number as the first five games.

RB: F-plus

The running game averaged 3.2 yards a carry. Arian Foster scored two touchdowns but totaled only 29 yards on 17 carries. That’s a 1.7-yard average per carry. The blocking was bad way too often against the Packers’ three-man front.

WR/TE: B-minus

Andre Johnson had eight catches for 75 yards and reached the magical 10,000-yard mark. Owen Daniels and Garrett Graham, both of whom played at Wisconsin, combined for six catches for 71 yards. Nobody caught a touchdown pass.

OL: D

Matt Schaub was under too much pressure and got hit way too much. The running game averaged only 3.2 yards a carry. And the Packers were missing injured nose tackle B.J. Raji. They also lost two starting linebackers.

DL: C-plus

J.J. Watt recorded two more sacks and had four tackles for loss. They got pressure on Aaron Rodgers, but he was able to avoid it. Overall, the run blocking was good. They limited the Packers to 3.2 yards a carry.

LB: C

The linebackers contributed to the run defense that allowed 99 yards, including 3.2 yards per carry. They didn’t get burned in coverage like the secondary did. Bradie James was the leading tackler with six. They had no sacks.

DB: F-minus

You don’t give up six touchdown passes, one short of the league record, and have anybody play well. Jordy Nelson burned Johnathan Joseph. James Jones torched Kareem Jackson. Glover Quin cost them a touchdown. It was across-the-board bad.

Specialists: C-minus

Bryan Braman blocked a punt that DeVier Posey recovered in the end zone for a touchdown. They committed three penalties, including two that led to touchdowns. Shayne Graham had a 51-yard field goal and punter Donnie Jones had a 45.8-yard net.

Coaching: F

This was an embarrassing performance before a record home crowd and a national television performance. Coach Gary Kubiak’s team wasn’t ready to play on offense, defense or special teams.


Personally, I thought it was funny what Watt did with the belt thing.. so did Rodgers. I am not big on going to the showboat nonsense.. but I did chuckle about the belt thing. State Farm got their money's worth last night in the interview though.

Source..

Quote:
The Texans’ J.J. Watt is having a impressive season, more impressive than any other defensive player in the NFL, and he had another good game against the Packers with six tackles and two sacks.

Still, you have to wonder how long he spent thinking about the classless sack dance he would do after taking down Rodgers in the first half, acting as if he were ripping off a title belt and slamming it to the ground. Any time he spent thinking about it is more than he would have before the season started and too much time for Kubiak and Wade Phillips.
steveishere  
#93 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 12:00:25 PM(UTC)
JJ Watt copying Clay and Aarons celebrations came off as kind of weak to me because he did them both while the Texans were losing, made it seem kind of selfish IMO. I was glad to see Hayward do his salute to Houstons bench after his 2nd INT, much better timing.
TexasPackerFan  
#94 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 1:20:40 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
JJ Watt copying Clay and Aarons celebrations came off as kind of weak to me because he did them both while the Texans were losing, made it seem kind of selfish IMO. I was glad to see Hayward do his salute to Houstons bench after his 2nd INT, much better timing.


I always enjoy it when players mock the title belt Rodgers seems to go into beast mode after that.
DarkaneRules  
#95 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 2:32:47 PM(UTC)
I wonder Raji's place. In base I do not see his value after this past game especially considering he's not known that way. He should be a run stuffing NT right? I thought that was why he was drafted.
zombieslayer  
#96 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 2:36:44 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
I wonder Raji's place. In base I do not see his value after this past game especially considering he's not known that way. He should be a run stuffing NT right? I thought that was why he was drafted.


He's a decent pass rusher and provides a push up the middle on passing downs. I don't think he deserved a Pro Bowl nod last year though. He was good, but not that good.

Still, big bodies aren't exactly a dime a dozen. We could really use him.
DarkaneRules  
#97 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 2:40:00 PM(UTC)
Yep. And honestly he has played SO many snaps so early. Seems he lost just a little bit already. It must be tough being that big haha.
go.pack.go.  
#98 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 2:54:53 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
JJ Watt copying Clay and Aarons celebrations came off as kind of weak to me because he did them both while the Texans were losing, made it seem kind of selfish IMO. I was glad to see Hayward do his salute to Houstons bench after his 2nd INT, much better timing.


I noticed that James Jones did Arian Foster's TD celebration too, where he bowed down or whatever you want to call it. I was glad he did that, especially after what Watt did.
zombieslayer  
#99 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 3:11:14 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
Yep. And honestly he has played SO many snaps so early. Seems he lost just a little bit already. It must be tough being that big haha.


Some big guys can have long careers. Gilbert Brown played from 93-03 with us, missing the 2000 season. Ryan Pickett still plays for us and he's still good. He's been playing in the NFL since '01. I was bummed when we lost Corey Williams after the '07 season. He's still in the NFL. Grady Jackson played from '97 to '09. He was a hard man to block.

So, hopefully Raji can bounce back. Remains to be seen. In my opinion, he had his best year in 2010.

The big guy I really miss though is Cullen Jenkins. He's still on the Eagles. They definitely got their money's worth last year where he had 5.5 sacks from right up the middle.
Gaycandybacon  
#100 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 3:35:23 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
He's a decent pass rusher and provides a push up the middle on passing downs. I don't think he deserved a Pro Bowl nod last year though. He was good, but not that good.

Still, big bodies aren't exactly a dime a dozen. We could really use him.


Ya agreed, I think he should of went in 10' more so than last year.
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