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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 8:54:59 AM(UTC)

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Franchise Gregorious and then let him walk.

As for Boykin, 2nd round type or there is always a bunch of these guys to look at every year.

A few years ago it was Chasin West. He was going to be the diamond in the rough. He isn't even on a team this year.
Next it was Gurley. Then Borel. There have been so many I can't remember all their names.

It is great to have the #5 or 6 WR as a project. It is great to try and stash someone on the PS. There is a reason they are #5 or a PS player. They are a long shot to make the team and make a significant contribution. GB has not had many DD. These guys do look good but they also have their blemishes too. A few can over come them. Most can not. Renaldo Nehemiah was fast, strong and had good height. Did I mention he was fast? But he couldn't catch the ball. He couldn't contend with the physical corners in the league. I suspect he would have had a lot more receptions if he played in 2012 instead of 1982.
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 9:11:13 AM(UTC)

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What WPR said. I didn't realize the $$$ was that much. If he demands too much money, we'll be forced to franchise him, then let him walk.

And Boykin will most likely be the next...geez, I forgot the names. I guess WPR has a better memory than I do. No offense to Boykin of course. I hope he turns out to be a class A stud. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:13:37 AM(UTC)

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What WPR said. I didn't realize the $$$ was that much. If he demands too much money, we'll be forced to franchise him, then let him walk.

And Boykin will most likely be the next...geez, I forgot the names. I guess WPR has a better memory than I do. No offense to Boykin of course. I hope he turns out to be a class A stud. But I'm not getting my hopes up.


There were other WR with great potential. I couldn't remember them all. Google helped some. Especially making sure I spelled Nehemiah correctly and the years he played.

It helps to have a little outside assistance. SI did a short article on the track speedsters who later played in the NFL. Nehemiah and Willie Gault and a few others were discussed.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:08:53 PM(UTC)

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The reason I have a little more hope for Boykin is that he has shown better hands and adjustment to the ball than most of the others. IMO that's big. If he continues to do that he'll stick and play.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:48:05 PM(UTC)

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I think the only way we let him walk is if he keeps getting injured. Jennings is a player you can't let go.. Just like Driver in his prime up till now, he's a leader, productive, and a class act. The guy is an important part of the character and chemistry of this team. This will be a tough decision and a big pill to swallow if we let him go.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:36:38 PM(UTC)

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Ah ha. Brett Swain. Brain fart.

Boykin more than likely will be this year's Brett Swain. Would love to be wrong as I'd love to see someone who wasn't even drafted kick ass on the Packers, but the odds are the odds. He's a long shot to be anything more than a #4 or #5 WR.

Ruvell Martin had good chemistry with Aaron. I don't think he ever made it past #4, did he? Looks like he's still active in the NFL (on the Bills), but he hasn't caught a pass yet this year. Caught a few last year.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:28:22 PM(UTC)

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Ah ha. Brett Swain. Brain fart.

Boykin more than likely will be this year's Brett Swain. Would love to be wrong as I'd love to see someone who wasn't even drafted kick ass on the Packers, but the odds are the odds. He's a long shot to be anything more than a #4 or #5 WR.

Ruvell Martin had good chemistry with Aaron. I don't think he ever made it past #4, did he? Looks like he's still active in the NFL (on the Bills), but he hasn't caught a pass yet this year. Caught a few last year.


I liked Swain! He did the dirty work like Crabby does now.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:14:15 PM(UTC)

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There's no way in Hades Jennings warrants or has earned an elite receiver contract, and that is exactly what his agent will demand and get - but not from the GBP. So Wayne - here's something we do agree on - franchise his ass for another year and let him walk. By then Cobb and Jordy - and OMG who lit a fire under Jones' ass - we will have enough for our offense to flourish. But we will need to find a stud TE because Finley is damaged goods.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:47:29 PM(UTC)

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Ruvell Martin had good chemistry with Aaron. I don't think he ever made it past #4, did he? Looks like he's still active in the NFL (on the Bills), but he hasn't caught a pass yet this year. Caught a few last year.


Martin has great chemistry with Rodgers, off the field... they seem to be best friends... but on the field I don't know that's true. Also there is one thing that ALWAYS bugged me with Ruvell... he was a big WR with average speed, trying to play like a small speed WR...

In the red zone, Rodgers would throw Ruvell jump balls... and being 6'4" he should of been able to make that play.... but VERY VERY VERY rarely did he ever make them... WHY? Because he wasn't ready to jump... he wasn't thinking about using that height... he was looking for the back corner pass (which normally doesn't work unless you out quick or speed the CB (and have good to great placement of the ball).

Now people often say... Ruvell might of just been doing what the play call for... and that a good excuse.... other than one thing... it happened WAY WAY too often... I saw Ruvell vs. a short DB ... I could call it out... jump ball to Ruvell ... Ruvell wouldn't even be ready to jump as the ball past over his head.

Basically, Ruvell was a big WR... and everyone seem to know it other than Ruvell... who was trying to play like he was Jennings or Driver (and for the record Nelson did some (not all) of that as well early on trying to make cuts and moves like Jennings/Driver (big guys can't do all of those moves and shake a guy), but Nelson knew when to use his height in the passing game... Ruvell didn't...
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:26:46 AM(UTC)

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Boykin looked great in the preseason.
Of course he has yet to get any "real" game action yet. That said, i'm glad they haven't had to throw the kid into the fire. That can ruin a young guy like that.
Look at Cobb. Who would have thought he would turn into the so far great WR and returner? Maybe Boykin will be another Thompson "stud".

Only time will tell, of course. But i'm cautiously optomistic.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:08:26 PM(UTC)

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Martin has great chemistry with Rodgers, off the field... they seem to be best friends... but on the field I don't know that's true. Also there is one thing that ALWAYS bugged me with Ruvell... he was a big WR with average speed, trying to play like a small speed WR...

In the red zone, Rodgers would throw Ruvell jump balls... and being 6'4" he should of been able to make that play.... but VERY VERY VERY rarely did he ever make them... WHY? Because he wasn't ready to jump... he wasn't thinking about using that height... he was looking for the back corner pass (which normally doesn't work unless you out quick or speed the CB (and have good to great placement of the ball).

Now people often say... Ruvell might of just been doing what the play call for... and that a good excuse.... other than one thing... it happened WAY WAY too often... I saw Ruvell vs. a short DB ... I could call it out... jump ball to Ruvell ... Ruvell wouldn't even be ready to jump as the ball past over his head.

Basically, Ruvell was a big WR... and everyone seem to know it other than Ruvell... who was trying to play like he was Jennings or Driver (and for the record Nelson did some (not all) of that as well early on trying to make cuts and moves like Jennings/Driver (big guys can't do all of those moves and shake a guy), but Nelson knew when to use his height in the passing game... Ruvell didn't...


Good analysis, Beast. I never understood why he was so low on the depth chart and you probably nailed it. He never was as fast as Driver or any of the other WRs we had, and if he couldn't use his height, he was pretty much useless.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:02:57 PM(UTC)

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Good analysis, Beast. I never understood why he was so low on the depth chart and you probably nailed it. He never was as fast as Driver or any of the other WRs we had, and if he couldn't use his height, he was pretty much useless.


Thank you, it's just something that always bugged me with him. He could use his height at times with the deep ball, but at times (like at the goal line) it was like he didn't mentally realize he was tall and Rodgers might throw him a jump ball... it's like watch nothing but Larry Fitzgerald for a month... and do what he does...

(P.S. physically talent potential wise, Fitzgerald is not that overly talented, it's just that he maximizes the potential he does have like no other... I love it.... well other than the ones against the Packers. He scored twice on Woodson in that super high scoring playoff game... both times he used an illegal tripping move but tries to disguise it as accidental (which if accidental it would be legal and there for the reason the refs didn't call it). The first time he disguised it PERFECTLY, I thought it was just an accident as well... but he went back to it later and the second time you could tell it was the same move and no accident that time (so I assume the first time was no accident ether)
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:07:44 AM(UTC)

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Thank you, it's just something that always bugged me with him. He could use his height at times with the deep ball, but at times (like at the goal line) it was like he didn't mentally realize he was tall and Rodgers might throw him a jump ball... it's like watch nothing but Larry Fitzgerald for a month... and do what he does...

(P.S. physically talent potential wise, Fitzgerald is not that overly talented, it's just that he maximizes the potential he does have like no other... I love it.... well other than the ones against the Packers. He scored twice on Woodson in that super high scoring playoff game... both times he used an illegal tripping move but tries to disguise it as accidental (which if accidental it would be legal and there for the reason the refs didn't call it). The first time he disguised it PERFECTLY, I thought it was just an accident as well... but he went back to it later and the second time you could tell it was the same move and no accident that time (so I assume the first time was no accident ether)


Agreed about Fitzgerald. He has some Rocky Balboa'ish qualities; like he's all heart. Come Playoffs, Fitzgerald gets even better. Jerry Rice was that way. No, Fitzgerald is no Rice, but you get the point.

That's one reason I love watching Fitzgerald. He'll fight for the ball and end up with it, even though he's not necessarily faster or stronger. He just wants it more.
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