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Offline Zero2Cool  
#26 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:09:28 AM(UTC)
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#27 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:14:14 AM(UTC)
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JJ has been a beast as of late.

As had been said, it's a long season and we may lose players to injury and DD is great to come in and there would be no drop off in performance.

This will probably be DD's last season anyway.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:37:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: flep Go to Quoted Post
JJ has been a beast as of late.

As had been said, it's a long season and we may lose players to injury and DD is great to come in and there would be no drop off in performance.

This will probably be DD's last season anyway.


Obviously I remember drops more than pedestrian catches, but it seems like DD's been dropping a lot of balls this year. Might be a result of much less playing time, but overall I really hope Driver does not try to extend his career another year... Leave on a high note, Donald. Or make me look like an idiot and be Mister Clutch for the next 3 years, either way :)
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#29 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:54:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Obviously I remember drops more than pedestrian catches, but it seems like DD's been dropping a lot of balls this year. Might be a result of much less playing time, but overall I really hope Driver does not try to extend his career another year... Leave on a high note, Donald. Or make me look like an idiot and be Mister Clutch for the next 3 years, either way :)


Nah. Ted Thompson and Driver will have a nice talk. Driver will retire after this season and have some other place with the Packers. He's too well-liked to disappear into the sunset.

He's already dropped off. But with potential injuries, as others have said, it would be nice to have Driver in the Playoffs for 2012.
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#30 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:07:01 AM(UTC)
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Based on the season to date, I think this question can be split into two separate questions:

1. Why isn't DD on the field more. I think this is at least partly a question of play calling. If they go to three wides, its going to be Nelson/Jones/Cobb or, when Jennings comes back, Jennings/Nelson/Jones or Jennings/Nelson/Cobb. (IMO Cobb has become such a weapon, especially on slant-type plays which used to be part of DD's bread-and-butter, that he's going to come on the field before DD now.) And Jones is playing like some of us thought he was going to be playing a couple years ago. So that leaves 4 and 5 wides, neither of which is being called as much this year, despite MM's susceptibility to calling too many passes.

What I don't understand is that when they do go to >3 wides, they use Finley as the #4 so often and Driver so little. Which naturally leads into the second question ....

2. Why isn't DD being targeted more. My gut here tells me it is partly that McCarthy and, more so, Rodgers, are more homed in on Finley. Rodgers has always had a bit of a tendency to look to Finley too often, and McCarthy for whatever reason has been calling fewer plays that fit DD's skill set (quick slants, really crisp patterns) and more that fit Finley's.

And it might also be that Driver simply hasn't been able to get separation. Has anyone looked at the film on this? It's just a guess on my part, and would go a long way to answering why it is that Rodgers/McCarthy have the tendencies just stated.
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#31 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:14:21 AM(UTC)
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From another thread.

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For Cobb... he so reminds me of Wes Welker in how he plays.. "scatterbugish" but highly effective. Those looking at why Drivers snaps are down.. he'd be the reason. They do about the same thing, thrive on the underneath stuff.. just Cobb is (for Dodd - a Ton) more electric at this point of Drivers career.

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#32 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:30:38 AM(UTC)
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Finley is a bigger target than Driver, and based on the very small sample size we have from Driver so far this year, Driver drops the ball a lot more than Finley. But this very well may be a product (in part) of not getting enough snaps.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:25:58 PM(UTC)
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From another thread.




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#34 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:15:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Finley is a bigger target than Driver, and based on the very small sample size we have from Driver so far this year, Driver drops the ball a lot more than Finley. But this very well may be a product (in part) of not getting enough snaps.


i must have missed some driver drops then, what the hell
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#35 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:43:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Finley is a bigger target than Driver, and based on the very small sample size we have from Driver so far this year, Driver drops the ball a lot more than Finley. But this very well may be a product (in part) of not getting enough snaps.


Wait. What? I'd like to see the stats on that since Finley is dropping the ball literally every game. I think Driver has only been in/thrown to on a handful of plays all year and one of those was a 26 yeard TD up the middle against da Bares.
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#36 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:22:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: coltonja Go to Quoted Post
Wait. What? I'd like to see the stats on that since Finley is dropping the ball literally every game. I think Driver has only been in/thrown to on a handful of plays all year and one of those was a 26 yeard TD up the middle against da Bares.


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Obviously that is a very small sample size for Driver, and I don't know how this "Drop rate" is calculated, as 2/6 = 33.3%, not 40%, but the targets and receptions seem sound. And I seem to recall at least 3 drops from Driver so far, but a "Drop" may be subjective (If it hits you in the hands but a defender knocks it loose with a strong punch, is it a drop?). Regardless, you can see Finley targeted 6 times more than Driver has, but with only 3x the drops. Obviously two catches in a row could dramatically change these figures for Driver, but the fact is that he's dropped (at least) a third of the passes thrown his way.
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#37 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:26:28 PM(UTC)
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Out of six targets, five were catch-able. Of those five he dropped two. 2 out of 5 = %40
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#38 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 8:55:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
And I seem to recall at least 3 drops from Driver so far


Rodgers threw one to Cobb over the middle, bounce off of Cobbs hands, Driver had to jerk his body back just to have a shot at it, but he did and got his hands on it... but didn't catch it. Since Driver wasn't the target, I'm not sure that counts... also Driver showed great body control just to react and get in a position to put his hands on.


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#39 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 8:56:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Out of six targets, five were catch-able. Of those five he dropped two. 2 out of 5 = %40


Why isn't there a catch-able list? ...

They're adding the receptions and the drops together to get the catch-able amount.


So their formula for drops is

(100/(R+D))*D = D%

Where
R = Receptions
D = Drops
D% = Drop percentage
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#40 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 9:00:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Why isn't there a catch-able list? ... there should be IMO.


There is, I just didn't put up there in the graphic.
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#41 Posted : Friday, October 19, 2012 9:06:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
There is, I just didn't put up there in the graphic.


Make sense... also a edit my other post a bit...
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