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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:51:36 PM(UTC)
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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll be fine with that.

Driver may have had more total drops last year than Jones, but Jones drops the important ones. Like last game, he dropped what should have been a TD pass. Driver caught a TD pass. Driver is also better with running after a catch and is fearless up the middle.


Can you go through and show drop by drop the down and distance for the two? I'd be really interested in seeing those stats.


Apparently zombieslayer knows this, but doesn't want to share it with us, so I'm asking you all ... what were the down and distance of the dropped passes for Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley and James Jones?

If you could also note that the ball was dropped in the endzone that would be great too! None of this "well he was on the 10 yard line but would have scored" stuff because that's guessing, even if a fair assumption.

I'd go to NFL.com and do this myself, but I'm working on the NFL Picks app for the site so I have little time to do so.

Thanks to whomever does this.
zombieslayer  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:01:03 PM(UTC)
If I had the stats for those, I'd definitely share them.

I just remember what I saw. Wish I could find the stats though.
Zero2Cool  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:11:20 PM(UTC)
This is the best I could find on James Jones using ProFootballFocus.com

Statistics: Targets-Rec-Yds(YAC)-TD-INT
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nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:19:44 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
This is the best I could find on James Jones using ProFootballFocus.com

Statistics: Targets-Rec-Yds(YAC)-TD-INT


Interesting. When I think of JJ, I usually think of him along the sidelines. Here it shows most of his drops come down the middle. More over-the-shoulder catches on that part of the field? Maybe more jarring hits as well.
Zero2Cool  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:41:53 PM(UTC)
I think something similar was posted already, but anyhow...
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play2win  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:45:42 PM(UTC)
Thanks Z!

Jennings' and Nelson's #s are sick. Hopefully all of these guys heighten their focus this season and hang onto the football. That would make life a lot easier.
mi_keys  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:47:59 PM(UTC)
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Interesting. When I think of JJ, I usually think of him along the sidelines. Here it shows most of his drops come down the middle. More over-the-shoulder catches on that part of the field? Maybe more jarring hits as well.


4 of the 6 drops including 3 of the 4 down the middle were from 0 to 9 yards. I sincerely doubt those were over the shoulder as those were probably slants or button hooks or the like.

Hits maybe played a factor. Maybe he didn't actually get hit but was afraid he would be? Could be the shorter time to track the ball.

Then again, 6 drops over the course of the season is not a large enough sample size to make any statistically meaningful observations.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:38:11 AM(UTC)
Donald Driver - 8 drops in 2011

Punt - GB @ KC - 3-10-KC 49 (13:02) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Driver.
Punt - GB @ KC - 2-10-GB 3 (2:47) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to 80-D.Driver.
TD - GB @ CHI - 1-10-GB 40 (:43) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 80-D.Driver.
FG - GB @ ATL - 3-5-ATL 39 (5:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver [90-L.Sidbury].
FG - SL @ GB - 3-3-GB 30 (10:28) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver.
TD - MIN @ GB - 2-12-MIN 38 (15:00) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver.
TD - OAK @ GB - 1-10-OAK 29 (5:42) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Driver.
FG - DET @ GB - 2-7-DET 7 (6:41) 10-M.Flynn pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Driver.


I grabbed each incomplete pass and compared it with the PFF chart for ball placement on drops.
Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:23:33 AM(UTC)
Going through the stats from 2011, James Jones did not drop more important passes than Donald Driver. That statement is unfounded. Trying to compile the stats for a post is too time consuming. To see yourself, check out NFL.com play-by-play.



Attached is the WR and TE stats so far from ProFootballFocus.com

Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley ...
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wpr  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:31:46 AM(UTC)
It is amazing Donald is only on the field for 37 snaps. 9 plays a game. I thought he would average 15 or so.
Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:14:50 AM(UTC)
The NFL has 7 QB's with 15 or more drops.

Aaron Rodgers has 17, Drew Brees has 19 and Brandon Weeden has 21!

The only QB with 100+ rating is Peyton Manning who has 15+ drops.


Three WR have more drops than Jordy Nelson who has 5.

One TE has more drops than Jermichael Finely who has 5, as do Jimmy Graham and Brandon Pettigrew.

Jason Witten leads TE with six drops.

Randall Cobb and Donald Driver each have two drops. Driver has been targeted six times with three catches. OUCH!

James Jones has 1 drop and leads the team with 5 TD's. No one else has more than 1 receiving TD.
RajiRoar  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:16:58 PM(UTC)
I wanna see the dropped INTs
Rockmolder  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:45:04 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
I wanna see the dropped INTs


Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away.
zombieslayer  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:48:43 AM(UTC)
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Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away.


Yes. Had one of those INTs been caught, we'd probably be celebrating the win.
PackFanWithTwins  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:05:12 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Same. I just watched the game back. I think I've seen about 5 this game. We had about 20 opportunities to lock this one up, but just squandered them all away.


That is what is really irritating about this loss. Can't just point to one thing. Defense made plays, only for the offense not to capitalize. The offense scored and got in position only for Crosby to miss. And plays were made only to be nullified by penalties (bad ones a couple times).
Pack93z  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:31:12 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
That is what is really irritating about this loss. Can't just point to one thing. Defense made plays, only for the offense not to capitalize. The offense scored and got in position only for Crosby to miss. And plays were made only to be nullified by penalties (bad ones a couple times).


Summed up just about perfectly.
RajiRoar  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:41:48 PM(UTC)
y u no
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:42:34 AM(UTC)
The numbers from ProFootballFocus suggest Jermichael Finley is not being overly force fed the ball. Three guys within one target and of course Jordy Nelson running away with 11 more targets. Also, this might add some evidence why Donald Driver isn't targeted more too.
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doddpower  
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:33:49 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The numbers from ProFootballFocus suggest Jermichael Finley is not being overly force fed the ball. Three guys within one target and of course Jordy Nelson running away with 11 more targets. Also, this might add some evidence why Donald Driver isn't targeted more too.


Yikes. Please keep Driver on the bench as much as possible. There should be VERY few packages where Driver is on the field over Jennings, Nelson, Jones, or Cobb. I would usually say Finley too, but Finley doesn't seem to be very good anymore. Perhaps Driver could replace him in some packages.

Pack93z  
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:54:49 AM(UTC)
Here is a pretty good summary of Finley (partially pertaining to drops) from Jersey Al.

Source...

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For Green Bay Packers fans, there has been no more controversial player during the past few years than tight end Jermichael Finley. His boisterous personality and recent penchant for dropped passes have clashed significantly with the perception of his physical talents and work ethic. And while we like to believe that on-field performance trumps off-field attitude, there’s no bigger catalyst for the disgruntled fan than when both start to head south.
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