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Offline wpr  
#11 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:48:02 PM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post

Just south of shit suckage.


nope. just north of 2-0. If they had AP or Lynch, Gore or Charles would they have won any more games?

If those backs had played for GB would they have still had the same number of yards that they got the past 2 games? nope. If they had been with GB would Aaron Rodgers had fewer yards passing? yes.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:51:29 PM(UTC)
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Yeah really, that small amount of yardage against such a horrible defense. The Rams don't have any talent on D...

Oh yeah- their ENTIRE d-line is made up of first round picks and they have the 5th ranked best defense in the league. 20 carries against a defensive line that was almost always in the backfield each touch, what do you expect? He does the job that we need him to do, catches the ball, doesn't funble, and changes the pace of the game.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:58:58 PM(UTC)
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I don't know why everyone pisses and moans about the running game when we haven't had a center to run behind since Mike Flanagan. Until we draft a blue chip center, we are not going to have a legitimate running game. A couple weeks ago, I called for Saturday's head because I think we would be better served with EDS out there. Today TJ Lang had his ass handed him, so when your guard and center are getting pushed back towards the quarterback, would someone please explain to me how it is we are going to be able to rush the football?

Our Oline is built to pass block, period. It's probably a good thing we have an elite QB to build that type of Oline around, right?


How'd CedBen do it?
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#14 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:03:08 PM(UTC)
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Well, Green is still a young back with almost no starting experience. He is also coming off an ACL injury. While he may be 'healthy,' he probably doesn't have the same burst as he had pre-injury yet. That will come in time. Moreover, most the run blocking was complete shit today. There were a few holes, but Green was blown up in the backfield constantly. Could an elite back do a little more? Sure, but probably not a lot. It all starts with the run blocking and the Packer's are piss poor in that regard, unfortunately. James Starks may be able to fall forward for a few more yards sometimes, but that would likely be the only difference. I'm guessing that his toe injury is still pretty sore and the Packers are trying to get by without him to allow him to get close to 100%. They know they need him. Also, Green needs time. He'll improve as he trusts his knee more and more and the game slows down a bit. However, it's never going to get a lot better with the atrocious run blocking. It's just the way it is. At least we will be getting Benson back to get drive for a few extra yards, but that's about as good as it's going to get for Green Bay in the running game.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:37:45 PM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
How'd CedBen do it?


Benson has not been all THAT spectacular running the ball. He isn't the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders.

2.0 avg vs SF #12 rush defense
4.1 vs #1 Bears
2.6 vs # 6 Seattle
4.7 vs #31 NO
2.9 vs #29 Indy.

One of his 2 "good games" was against one of the worst rush defenses. the other against the best but that was probably as much about wanting to stick it to the team that let him go as anything. The Bears were off balance all day long. Pass rushing when GB was running the ball and being out of position all the time.
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
How'd CedBen do it?


He didn't wow me but him and Green can do just enough. Which is better than no run game. Pass block, catch the football, and run the ball 20 plus times game. That's all we need. Do you know why other running backs gain so many yards? Because teams rely on them to much.. You rarely see in a game a QB and a RB both put up good numbers and frankly if my running back can carrie the ball a lot of times in a game I could give 2 shits if they run for 35 yards or 100 yards. Trust me.... it would be amazing if we had a 100 yard rusher from time to time but... we're a passing team! It will rarely happen as long as we have arod and the recieving core around. I believe you need a good QB to win a super bowl. Not that run the ball and play good defense crap.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:49:53 PM(UTC)
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If you had said you would like to have a RB like BenJarvus Green-Ellis who averages about 3.4 a carry this year and about 4 for his career, he can catch the pass some too, I would agree. But to say it is all Green's fault is not correct.
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Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
He didn't wow me but him and Green can do just enough. Which is better than no run game. Pass block, catch the football, and run the ball 20 plus times game. That's all we need. Do you know why other running backs gain so many yards? Because teams rely on them to much.. You rarely see in a game a QB and a RB both put up good numbers and frankly if my running back can carrie the ball a lot of times in a game I could give 2 shits if they run for 35 yards or 100 yards. Trust me.... it would be amazing if we had a 100 yard rusher from time to time but... we're a passing team! It will rarely happen as long as we have arod and the recieving core around. I believe you need a good QB to win a super bowl. Not that run the ball and play good defense crap.


Maybe they do it, because they can break shoestring tackles and have sufficient vision to see daylight.
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
If you had said you would like to have a RB like BenJarvus Green-Ellis who averages about 3.4 a carry this year and about 4 for his career, he can catch the pass some too, I would agree. But to say it is all Green's fault is not correct.


Two fumbles lost in six games out of three fumbles and only once had a yards per carry over 4.0 wets your whistle?
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#20 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:57:04 PM(UTC)
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Two fumbles lost in six games out of three fumbles and only once had a yards per carry over 4.0 wets your whistle?


He had over 500 carries over 5 years without any fumbles before his 3 this season. I am saying GB doesn't need Lynch to be successful.
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