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Zero2Cool  
#21 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:01:39 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
He had over 500 carries over 5 years without any fumbles before his 3 this season. I am saying GB doesn't need Lynch to be successful.


He hasn't had 500 carries this season so that is not relevant to my response. It was a bad player to use.

Packers need a RB who
Always gets positive yards, even if its 1 yard.
Never fumbles
Superb pass protection
Average and above receiving out of backfield


Those are dime a dozen!!! [grin1]
wpr  
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:22:40 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
He hasn't had 500 carries this season so that is not relevant to my response. It was a bad player to use.

Packers need a RB who
Always gets positive yards, even if its 1 yard.
Never fumbles
Superb pass protection
Average and above receiving out of backfield


Those are dime a dozen!!! [grin1]


don't be such a fn ass.

I intentionally used an average, vanilla player to say GB can still win with someone like that. They don't need Lynch which was nermann's original premise.

And Green-Ellis' prior career abilities do matter because I say the do. he is my example not yours. you want to twist what I am saying by taking a small sample size. I prefer to use his whole career because it is a better indicator of his abilities and a couple of weeks this year.

Gaycandybacon  
#23 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:37:24 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
He hasn't had 500 carries this season so that is not relevant to my response. It was a bad player to use.

Packers need a RB who
Always gets positive yards, even if its 1 yard. Theres not 1 back in the NFL that ALWAYS gets positive yards...
Never fumbles We've never fumbled once this year to my knowledge and rarely fumbled in the past
Superb pass protection Been pretty good so far from a RBs POV
Average and above receiving out of backfield [wallme] We have Cobb that does that, plus Green and Kuhn shown that ablity even todays game
Those are dime a dozen!!! [grin1]
Packfan87  
#24 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:36:37 PM(UTC)
I'm not sure what to take of Green yet. I like what I've seen from him as far as pass protection and receiving out of the backfield but he's also left a lot of yards on the field(tripping etc...).

All in all I don't think we can make a fair assessment of a player after two games in what is essentially his rookie season.
RaiderPride  
#25 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:14:20 PM(UTC)
My opine. I think I am close to being sorta right.

Every team has a structure for what talents and production they need out of a running back. It varies based on the QB, the team strengths, and of course the O-Line that that team has in a particular season, or reign.

For example.. Pretend you could take any running back in history and put him in this years starting line up. Who would you put in as the starter?

Kevin my friend.. Please do not say Barry Sanders. That would be the wrong answer, even though he is the most exciting of all time.

For this present Packer offence, structure, and O line... If I could pick any running back in history to put in the 2012 line up....I would put Earl Campbell in the line up rather than Barry Sanders. Eric Dickerson, Gayle Sayers, O.J. Simpson, most anyone else...

I reckon what I am saying is every Offense has different skills they need out of a running back.

OK.. Go ahead now.. Trash my theory : )

zombieslayer  
#26 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:21:28 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
he did just enough to by Aaron Rodgers time to throw the ball. We are not looking for a guy who will get 150 yards rushing. He did get some key yards on passes to give them a first down. Don't make him one dimensional.


Exactly. 20 carries for 35 yards is exactly what I want out of a RB.

That way, we'll get our carries and no way in hell he'll ask for more than a million a year with a straight face.
zombieslayer  
#27 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:23:18 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
haha wow... The guy didn't do half bad. Made some great catches and got us first downs. You're to hard on him, it's his 2nd game starting for crist sake and we've won both times he's carried the rock. He's carried the ball for 40+ times in 2 games that's good enough in my book!

I think Zombie said he'd get 35 on 20 carries? The man is psychic.


Yeah, I said something like that.

He did exactly what I wanted him to do - get 20+ carries. Could care less about the yards.
nerdmann  
#28 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:28:55 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Exactly. 20 carries for 35 yards is exactly what I want out of a RB.

That way, we'll get our carries and no way in hell he'll ask for more than a million a year with a straight face.


So Bjack is your ideal RB?
zombieslayer  
#29 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:38:57 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
So Bjack is your ideal RB?


Yes. He's my perfect RB. He can block very well. He's a decent receiver. And he can't run the ball worth a damn but at least he doesn't fumble. And he'll never make much $$$, money that could be used on important positions.
PackFanWithTwins  
#30 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:08:41 PM(UTC)
To rank the problems with the run game. Has to be Scheme, blocking and then backs. And scheme is 1/2 the reason the blocking is bad. We haven't been able to consistently block the scheme since McCarthy took over. Today they went back to what was causing Benson to have not so good production. Too many shotgun draws. It is to predictable and easy to protect against. We don't have counter plays in the zone scheme. If the RB is lined to Rodgers left, the run has to go to the right. So defense does't have to think which way they need to protect.

Get Rodgers under center and run inside, let the oline block more forward instead of this crap sideways blocking. Let the horses up front do what lineman enjoy most. pushing the guy in front of them out of the way.

I have had about enough of being in 3rd and 1 or less, and not even attempting to line up with a threat of running. Teams no matter how good they pass game is, should be able to get 1 yard on the ground, and we never even try.
Rios39  
#31 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:20:17 PM(UTC)
The attempts are important but I'd like to average at least 3 yards a carry. We will need it when the weather gets cool, and on 3rd and short it can be a very tough down for d's if they know we can pound it in there.

Kuhn looked good but Green wasn't given the same holes. With only one padded practice it's really hard to get the running game up to par in this era. We also tried a few weird /fancy shotgun draws that went backwards.
nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:58:03 PM(UTC)
Micheal Rodney's Twitter:

Quote:
Had a chance to watch Johnny White the other day. New RB has some skills. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get some carries down the road.
Zero2Cool  
#33 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 5:58:10 AM(UTC)
T.J. Lang said:
The good thing about today, even though we were kind of getting stuffed in the run game, we didn't just abandon it. That was good to see. Even when you're not being productive, as long as you keep pounding the rock a little bit, it still keeps them honest.
zombieslayer  
#34 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 8:22:57 AM(UTC)
What TJ Lang said. Yes, it's the carries that matter. The yards don't. We'll make up those yards through the air. We saw two straight games where we dominated the games and our running "sucked" but we had lots of carries.
TheKanataThrilla  
#35 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 10:51:08 AM(UTC)
It still pisses me off that we can't run on 3rd and short.
PackFanWithTwins  
#36 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 11:18:31 AM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
It still pisses me off that we can't run on 3rd and short.


I can't say we can't run, we never even line up to try.

I can think of One attempt and it was a Rodgers sneak. And we have been in some 3rd and <1yard. We get 3rd and 1 and we go 5 wide. That is what pisses me off.
nerdmann  
#37 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 11:45:55 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
I can't say we can't run, we never even line up to try.

I can think of One attempt and it was a Rodgers sneak. And we have been in some 3rd and <1yard. We get 3rd and 1 and we go 5 wide. That is what pisses me off.


Occasionally we'll do that FB dive play with Kuhn.
TheKanataThrilla  
#38 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 11:57:51 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Occasionally we'll do that FB dive play with Kuhn.


I really don't know why we don't even do that as a diversion to the pass? At least make them think we will run it.
buckeyepackfan  
#39 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 12:43:16 PM(UTC)
My My My, I'm just thinking to myself, wonder what Ryan Grant is thinking.
Probably, man I feel sorry for that kid, I put up 1200+ yds a yr. before I was injured and most wanted me gone, this kid has no chance. Oh well better him than me.

I'm gonns reference Barry Sanders here, not that Alex Green will ever be close to him.

I remember The Packers charting Barry's runs, some of you might also.
Looked something like this...2uds, 1yd, 4yds, 3yds. 6yds, -3yds, 8yds,3yds, 85 yd TD run.
Was always The Packers goal to keep Barry from hitting that one big run. Most of the time they failed, and he usually had more than 1 of those big runs.

The point is, and it has been stated many times in this thread, in today's game, today's Packers, need a RB who can in this order, pass block, catch passes out of the backfield, hold onto the ball when given his chances, get what positive yds you can when called on.

Green already has shown he can make things happen when he gets into open space, but that's not gonna happen a lot. As long as he gives The Packers the points stated above, he will be fine. Oh what a great feeling it will be when he does break out and run for daylight every once in awhile.

Yerko  
#40 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 2:11:05 PM(UTC)
He opened up the passing game and that is all we should really care about. His measly ypc backed off the pass rush...
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