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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 9:59:31 AM(UTC)
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Pretty surreal feeling, first time in 9 plus years I don't have a job to prepare for Monday. The position created that I had was eliminated today.

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Offline Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 10:11:48 AM(UTC)
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That sucks. At least your back in WI.

Been there, it is a weird feeling, but you will rebound. Maybe time to venture on your own.
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#3 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 11:01:00 AM(UTC)
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wow. Sorry to hear this. you really stuck your neck out a long way for them.

hope you got at least 2 weeks from them.
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Offline Porforis  
#4 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Pretty surreal feeling, first time in 9 plus years I don't have a job to prepare for Monday. The position created that I had was eliminated today.


Wow, terribly sorry to hear that. You do NOT live in the Milwaukee area, correct?
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#5 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 11:30:41 AM(UTC)
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I got 8 weeks severance, plus they are paying out my vacation not used. I'm not bitter or anything, they gave me a lot of opportunities. I mean I got see a good portion of the country because of that job.

I'm excited to see what jobs are out there for me and excited to be able to program again.

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Offline zombieslayer  
#6 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 12:24:56 PM(UTC)
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Good luck, amigo.

I got laid off back in July. Let me just tell you that that was one of the highlights of the year, looking back. Hope it works out for you.
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Offline GermanGilbert  
#7 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 12:25:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Pretty surreal feeling, first time in 9 plus years I don't have a job to prepare for Monday. The position created that I had was eliminated today.


Wow, that really sucks :( Hope you find a really good opportunity very soon. Good luck, Kev.

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Offline SINCITYCHEEZE  
#8 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 12:42:10 PM(UTC)
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Right there with you Zero. Got fired myself 3 weeks ago Tues. It sucks. Best of luck to you.
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Offline Cheesey  
#9 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 2:22:00 PM(UTC)
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Maybe you should email Obama and asked him what the heck is going on.
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Kevin......i don't know if i could have such a good attitude if that happened to me like it did to you. My hat goes off to you.

Unfortunately, that's the way companies are today. They are soulless ghouls who don't care about the workers, which are the ones that make all the money for the company.
And they wonder why people don't want to give their all to a job.

It's because of just this treatment.
I feel i know you, and you are the kind of conscientious (sp) worker i'd want to have work for me. You deserved better treatment then that.
As you know, my wife gave 17 years and was notified by FEDEX that they were closing her plant. Not even a personal word.

You will bounce back. You have a "never give up" spirit.
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Offline GermanGilbert  
#10 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 3:23:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cheesey Go to Quoted Post
Unfortunately, that's the way companies are today. They are soulless ghouls who don't care about the workers, which are the ones that make all the money for the company.
And they wonder why people don't want to give their all to a job.


I wouldn't say that's based on the company, but more based on the country. I'm working for a US company now for more than 6 years and you cannot believe how different they treat associates in the US and over here. Just have a look how different the guys are treated that I daily work with:

US offices: They fire you, you leave your office within one day and get nothing.
Munich office: They cannot fire you just to fire you, the workers' council would vote against that. They can offer you a cancellation agreement which gives you at least 3 months salaries without work and additionally at least 1 month salary per year you worked for the company as compensation.

US offices: 15 days of vacation in the 1st year, escalating to maybe 25 if you're with a company more than 10 years.
Munich office: 30 days of vacation right from the beginning, special days of vacation for movement, marriage, funerals.

US offices: When someone is sick, he has to spend a day of vacation for every day he's sick. If you're out of vacation days, it's unpaid leave.
Munich office: When you'sick, you're sick. Period. Even if you're sick for 3 months, you'll get paid for every single day. Hell, they even give you 15 paid days a year when your kid is sick and you stay at home because of that.

Additionally, but more of a governmental thing, maternity leave:
US offices: You'll kind of directly go from the office to the delivery room and be back full time after 3 months.
Munich office: 6 weeks before the planned birth date you're not allowed to work anymore. You get the full salary this 6 weeks and 8 weeks after birth. After that you can stay at home for an additional 12 months and get somewhat like 70% of your salary. I'm not sure about the exact % as I don't have kids ;)


I don't wanna praise my country or hijack Z2C's thread, not at all, I just want to make you aware of the shit that's going on over there. Just look:

I work for the EXACT SAME company that my colleagues work, I do the SAME FUCKING job that my colleagues do and I'm treated like a normal person and they're treated like shit just because we're sitting in different offices. Maybe you feel like my US colleagues are treated like normal persons and the german guys are treated like the kings on earth, but I feel like it's more of my first impression. That's just insane for me!


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Offline rabidgopher04  
#11 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 3:56:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
I wouldn't say that's based on the company, but more based on the country. I'm working for a US company now for more than 6 years and you cannot believe how different they treat associates in the US and over here. Just have a look how different the guys are treated that I daily work with:

US offices: They fire you, you leave your office within one day and get nothing.
Munich office: They cannot fire you just to fire you, the workers' council would vote against that. They can offer you a cancellation agreement which gives you at least 3 months salaries without work and additionally at least 1 month salary per year you worked for the company as compensation.

US offices: 15 days of vacation in the 1st year, escalating to maybe 25 if you're with a company more than 10 years.
Munich office: 30 days of vacation right from the beginning, special days of vacation for movement, marriage, funerals.

US offices: When someone is sick, he has to spend a day of vacation for every day he's sick. If you're out of vacation days, it's unpaid leave.
Munich office: When you'sick, you're sick. Period. Even if you're sick for 3 months, you'll get paid for every single day. Hell, they even give you 15 paid days a year when your kid is sick and you stay at home because of that.

Additionally, but more of a governmental thing, maternity leave:
US offices: You'll kind of directly go from the office to the delivery room and be back full time after 3 months.
Munich office: 6 weeks before the planned birth date you're not allowed to work anymore. You get the full salary this 6 weeks and 8 weeks after birth. After that you can stay at home for an additional 12 months and get somewhat like 70% of your salary. I'm not sure about the exact % as I don't have kids ;)


I don't wanna praise my country or hijack Z2C's thread, not at all, I just want to make you aware of the shit that's going on over there. Just look:

I work for the EXACT SAME company that my colleagues work, I do the SAME FUCKING job that my colleagues do and I'm treated like a normal person and they're treated like shit just because we're sitting in different offices. Maybe you feel like my US colleagues are treated like normal persons and the german guys are treated like the kings on earth, but I feel like it's more of my first impression. That's just insane for me!




What your example illustrates are the differences in labor law between the U.S. and Germany. U.S. laws have a ways to go compared with other first world countries (with respect to leave time). It's quite disappointing.

What are your income tax rates over there?

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Offline zombieslayer  
#12 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 4:06:46 PM(UTC)
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Gilbert - One big difference. Germany loves Germans. America hates Americans.
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Offline GermanGilbert  
#13 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 4:44:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
What your example illustrates are the differences in labor law between the U.S. and Germany. U.S. laws have a ways to go compared with other first world countries (with respect to leave time). It's quite disappointing.


Sad, but very true. I honestly don't know anything about the health care system Obama planned for the US, but there is a big proportion of people who just don't want that either. For me as a German I couldn't imagine to live without health care.

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
What are your income tax rates over there?


That depends on your salary. The lowest rate is 14%, the highest 48%. For a middle-class worker I'd say it's 38 to 45%. But that includes health insurance, social insurance and pension fund. So out of this money you get regular treatments at the doctor/hospital and your pension. And if you don't have a job, you get about $500 per month plus your rent plus additionally whatever you need to survive in your circumstances. So nobody has to live on the streets here if you don't want to.



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Gilbert - One big difference. Germany loves Germans. America hates Americans.


I'm not aware that America hates Americans, however, Germany does not only like Germans. The crisis in the European Union somewhat pays out for us for the moment. With an unemployment rate of more than 50% of guys under 25 there at the moment, a lot of well educated people from from countries with financial problems like Spain and Greece come to Germany to work, because they don't get a job in their countries. Good for us, my new greek colleague is just superb in his job.
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#14 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 7:16:36 PM(UTC)
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Looks like I'm going to have a lot of beekeeper helpers next summer. Sorry to hear about all this guys. I lost my state job in January, and God was that a blessing, because I hated my bully boss and was not happy there anymore. Now I have three different careers going: I own a business, I work for an accounting firm during tax season, and I work as a laborer for power plant outages. There are plenty of jobs out there boys - sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take something less than what you were doing.

Thanks for sharing Zero. There's lots of love in this forum.
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#15 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 7:24:56 PM(UTC)
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