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Offline wpr  
#31 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 5:02:53 PM(UTC)

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I was going to applause until the yard per carry comment. On a single game basis 3 yard per carry may not be required, but over the course of a season I think it is. It wasn't required against St Louis, but would likely be required against a team like Houston (who, coincidentally, we averaged 3 yards per carry against).


i guess you missed what I meant. a 3 yard avg is not required every single game. Some games you can get by with a 1.5 avg. sometimes 2 others 3 or 3.5.
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#32 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 7:21:16 PM(UTC)

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I was going to applause until the yard per carry comment. On a single game basis 3 yard per carry may not be required, but over the course of a season I think it is. It wasn't required against St Louis, but would likely be required against a team like Houston (who, coincidentally, we averaged 3 yards per carry against).

Oh, and no, I wouldn't trade JJ for SJ.


Just an FYI - we're averaging 3.9 ypc this year. In 2010, we averaged 3.8.

I'd guess Aaron Rodgers inflates those totals. Too lazy to take his stats out and see what our RBs are getting.

And yes, I wouldn't trade JJ for SJ either.
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#33 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 8:06:40 PM(UTC)

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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Just an FYI - we're averaging 3.9 ypc this year. In 2010, we averaged 3.8.

I'd guess Aaron Rodgers inflates those totals. Too lazy to take his stats out and see what our RBs are getting.

And yes, I wouldn't trade JJ for SJ either.


169 rushes for 655 yards overall.

ARod: 24 for 125
Graham Harrell: 1 for 0

144 rushes by non-QBs, for 530 yards or 3.68 YPC.

Randall Cobb ran 3 times for 67 yards. If you're only counting Benson, Green, Kuhn, and Starks, 3.28 YPC.

Personal stats:

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Player      	No	Yds	Avg
Cedric Benson	71	248	3.5
Alex Green      54	165	3.1
John Kuhn       11	39	3.5
James Starks    5	11	2.2
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#34 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:22:31 AM(UTC)

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Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
169 rushes for 655 yards overall.

ARod: 24 for 125
Graham Harrell: 1 for 0

144 rushes by non-QBs, for 530 yards or 3.68 YPC.

Randall Cobb ran 3 times for 67 yards. If you're only counting Benson, Green, Kuhn, and Starks, 3.28 YPC.

Personal stats:

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Player      	No	Yds	Avg
Cedric Benson	71	248	3.5
Alex Green      54	165	3.1
John Kuhn       11	39	3.5
James Starks    5	11	2.2


Thank you.

Now I'm really hoping we win the SB this year to shut up the "we need an elite RB" crowd once and for all. Hell, when was the last time someone won a SB with an elite RB anyways?
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#35 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:19:48 PM(UTC)

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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Thank you.

Now I'm really hoping we win the SB this year to shut up the "we need an elite RB" crowd once and for all. Hell, when was the last time someone won a SB with an elite RB anyways?


Probably a dozen years ago Marshall Faulk [aiee]
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#36 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:48:34 PM(UTC)

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Probably a dozen years ago Marshall Faulk [aiee]


Thank you Gay.

Marshall Faulk was unarguably an elite RB. In that SB, he had 10 carries for 17 yards and the Rams won it. However, he did have 90 yards receiving. That's why I liked Faulk so much. He was a dang good receiver and if I remember correctly, not a bad blocker too.
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#37 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:50:17 PM(UTC)

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zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Thank you.

Now I'm really hoping we win the SB this year to shut up the "we need an elite RB" crowd once and for all. Hell, when was the last time someone won a SB with an elite RB anyways?


Last year it was "we don't need a good defense"....but I digress.


Faulk was in 1999

In addition......

2000 Ravens - Jamal Lewis - 1,364 yards
2001 Patriots - Antowain Smith - 1,157 yards
2004 Patriots - Corey Dillon - 1,635 yards
2005 Steelers - Willie Parker - 1,202 yards
2006 Colts - Joseph Addai - 1,081 yards
2007 Giants - Brandon Jacobs - 1,009 yards

Along with Faulk, I would consider Corey Dillon elite. The others are all very good.

If your team has a good to very good running back, it makes your offense that more viable and more difficult to defend against.

If "your" team doesn't have a running back that is even mediocre, well, you are one dimensional.

Hell, sometimes even an "elite" quarterback doesn't get you to the Super Bowl.....and sometimes even one and done...:-"



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#38 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:06:08 PM(UTC)

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I think the question is weather or not you want to pay Jackson the big contract he wants or not... I rather save the money and try to resign Rodgers Jennings, Raji, Matthews, Burnett, Benson or Starks, and two of the three following Pickett, Wilson and/or Neal. That's a good number of contract coming up... the rookie deals ending will be the ones that go up a lot...

And if you want another RB then draft one... normally I don't prefer RBs in the 1st... just seem like too many of them turn out to be just average.
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#39 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:18:03 PM(UTC)

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vikesrule said: Go to Quoted Post
Last year it was "we don't need a good defense"....but I digress.


Faulk was in 1999

In addition......

2000 Ravens - Jamal Lewis - 1,364 yards
2001 Patriots - Antowain Smith - 1,157 yards
2004 Patriots - Corey Dillon - 1,635 yards
2005 Steelers - Willie Parker - 1,202 yards
2006 Colts - Joseph Addai - 1,081 yards
2007 Giants - Brandon Jacobs - 1,009 yards

Along with Faulk, I would consider Corey Dillon elite. The others are all very good.

If your team has a good to very good running back, it makes your offense that more viable and more difficult to defend against.

If "your" team doesn't have a running back that is even mediocre, well, you are one dimensional.

Hell, sometimes even an "elite" quarterback doesn't get you to the Super Bowl.....and sometimes even one and done...:-"







I'd rather have a QB in the postseason than a running back... you're gonna face more explosive teams and stouter defenses. You'll find yourself down if you rely on running the ball. You think your RB can bring yourself back down 20? I don't think so.. I'd say 2 teams won the SB without a great qb in the last decade, 3 if you count that horrid game by Big Ben in 05' I'll take those odds...
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#40 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:37:17 AM(UTC)

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Can' do it. Especially with the injury issues for Jennings. Jones is the number one receiver this week with Nelson injured too. We are fine with sub-par running backs.
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#41 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:25:54 AM(UTC)

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I say we trade Jennings to KC for Bowe, granted Bowe wants a new contract but do we pay an older injury prone wr looking for the big bucks or do we sign a big wr that will want good money but is younger than Jennings. I know Ted Thompson wouldn't do anything like that but that would be so awesome having the big huge WR to go along with Jones, Cobb, and Nelson. Hell send KC Finley also lol
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#42 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 11:24:22 AM(UTC)

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Can' do it. Especially with the injury issues for Jennings. Jones is the number one receiver this week with Nelson injured too. We are fine with sub-par running backs.


The problem with our offensive line, not so much our RBs. Benson had (some) success because he was exceptional. A good or average RB won't have much of any success with the line consistently being pushed in his face.
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#43 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:23:34 PM(UTC)

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He would retire rather than try to run behind this offensive line.
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#44 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:44:01 PM(UTC)

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Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd rather have a QB in the postseason than a running back... you're gonna face more explosive teams and stouter defenses. You'll find yourself down if you rely on running the ball. You think your RB can bring yourself back down 20? I don't think so.. I'd say 2 teams won the SB without a great qb in the last decade, 3 if you count that horrid game by Big Ben in 05' I'll take those odds...


History shows that in order, the most important things in the postseason are:
1) D
2) QB


RB isn't even on the list. But then again, Vikesrule is a Vikings fan and the Vikings are completely clueless to what it takes to win in the postseason. :-"
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#45 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:00:38 PM(UTC)

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History shows that in order, the most important things in the postseason are:
1) D
2) QB


RB isn't even on the list. But then again, Vikesrule is a Vikings fan and the Vikings are completely clueless to what it takes to win in the postseason. :-"


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