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Offline nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:02:06 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Seriously, is Starks still gimpy? If not, why the hell is he being ignored for this guy Alex Green who can't do a damn thing?


The QB doesn't like him.
Offline dyeah_gb  
#32 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:06:06 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Seriously, is Starks still gimpy? If not, why the hell is he being ignored for this guy Alex Green who can't do a damn thing?


I am under the impression it is a maturity thing. Like the rookie mistake of dropping the pass on the screen in the second half because he was turning to run up field before he had control of the ball.

Offline gbguy20  
#33 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:36:45 PM(UTC)
Still, how many games in a row are we going to run for 2 yards per carry before we decide it's time to give someone else a shot?
Offline Wade  
#34 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:38:22 PM(UTC)
It isn't the RB that is the problem.

It's the OL.

Again.

Still.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#35 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:54:53 PM(UTC)
When will you guys realize no matter what back we put out there it won't change the running game.... I'm sorry but i'm tired of hearing about it. Our starting FB was out for god sakes and we ran more yards than last week....granted a better defense but still...

Alex Green is not the problem and Starks isn't the answer. Our WHOLE team is accountable ladies and gents.

Like everyone said no game is easy to win in the NFL. AND WE WON. Don't underestmate any team.. And I think it's lauaghable everyone thinks we play down to bad competition. EVERYONES COMPETITION! IT'S THE NFL...

One bright spot in this game.. We were balanced. Arod didn't throw a pick and threw 2 TDs.. He did enough..

I believe injuries hurt us today. But we hurt ourselves a couple times and we need to improve like anyone else.



All in all.. I'll continue to say this.. No matter the yards, IF we run the ball 20 + times WE WILL WIN! The proofs in the pudding. 20+ Carries = 5-1. Guess what the loss was? The Seahawks! which in essence we're 6-0 when we acomplish that feet.
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Offline steveishere  
#36 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:55:25 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
It isn't the RB that is the problem.

It's the OL.

Again.

Still.


There is no "the" problem. There are problemS and the RB is part of it.
Offline zombieslayer  
#37 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:00:34 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
When will you guys realize no matter what back we put out there it won't change the running game.... I'm sorry but i'm tired of hearing about it. Our starting FB was out for god sakes and we ran more yards than last week....granted a better defense but still...

Alex Green is not the problem and Starks isn't the answer. Our WHOLE team is accountable ladies and gents.

Like everyone said no game is easy to win in the NFL. AND WE WON. Don't underestmate any team.. And I think it's lauaghable everyone thinks we play down to competition. EVERYONES COMPETITION! IT'S THE NFL...

One bright spot in this game.. We were balanced. Arod didn't throw a pick and threw 2 TDs.. He did enough..

I believe injuries hurt us today. But we hurt ourselves a couple times and we need to improve like anyone else.



All in all.. I'll continue to say this.. No matter the yards, IF we run the ball 20 + times WE WILL WIN! The proofs in the pudding. 20+ Carries = 5-1. Guess what the loss was? The Seahawks! which in essence we're 6-0 when we acomplish that feet.


For the record, historically, total yards doesn't matter. Total carries does. We're getting the carries and Alex Green has proven he's tough enough to run 20+ times a game.

So....we found our RB. Bonus he's decent with screens.
Offline earthquake  
#38 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:16:37 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
For the record, historically, total yards doesn't matter. Total carries does. We're getting the carries and Alex Green has proven he's tough enough to run 20+ times a game.

So....we found our RB. Bonus he's decent with screens.


Honestly I think this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg stat.

Teams that win or teams that lead tend to run the ball at the end of games more than throw it, to run out the clock. Teams that lose or are trailing will pass the ball more and abandon the run game. So its fairly logical that you will have more carries in a winning effort, that doesn't mean more carries is the way to win necessarily.
Offline zombieslayer  
#39 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:22:04 PM(UTC)
earthquake said: Go to Quoted Post
Honestly I think this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg stat.

Teams that win or teams that lead tend to run the ball at the end of games more than throw it, to run out the clock. Teams that lose or are trailing will pass the ball more and abandon the run game. So its fairly logical that you will have more carries in a winning effort, that doesn't mean more carries is the way to win necessarily.


Shhh

Don't say that too loud or else you'll have the pro-run people hound you.
Offline Gaycandybacon  
#40 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:54:53 AM(UTC)
earthquake said: Go to Quoted Post
Honestly I think this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg stat.

Teams that win or teams that lead tend to run the ball at the end of games more than throw it, to run out the clock. Teams that lose or are trailing will pass the ball more and abandon the run game. So its fairly logical that you will have more carries in a winning effort, that doesn't mean more carries is the way to win necessarily.


I won't disagree that RB attempts decide games. But a high number of carries are important if you wanna control the clock the whole game. Remember the 49ers game and the 2nd half of the Colts game, where we didn't run it more than 10 times. The 9ers/Colts stomped us cause they kept us off the field. And if we got a 3 and out 1 or 2 times strictly passing the ball it can kill you and bite you in the ass. That's why if we get those number of carries our team will have better success. Just the fact we have faith running the ball that much is encouraging even thoe we don't put up the yards. At least [mm] has been consistant with that the last 3 games.
Offline Rockmolder  
#41 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 5:02:49 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
There is no "the" problem. There are problemS and the RB is part of it.


Thank you.

His lack of vision is just ridiculous. We used to complain about Grant running into piles, but this is even worse.

He has way more wiggle than Grant ever had and changes directions so much faster... He should be able to jump into a hole pretty easily... If he'd ever actually see it.

I'm not quite sure when it happened, but there was a cut back lane the size of a truck and he just doesn't see it. Next play... the a ga, where he was heading for at first, had a yard or three, at least, just for him to pick up... And he jumps into the b gap and gets stopped after a yard.

It's frustrating to see him play. So much potential, but he isn't going anywhere. It reminds me of Finley a bit... Without the ridiculous jawing.
Offline zombieslayer  
#42 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:07:35 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Thank you.

His lack of vision is just ridiculous. We used to complain about Grant running into piles, but this is even worse.

He has way more wiggle than Grant ever had and changes directions so much faster... He should be able to jump into a hole pretty easily... If he'd ever actually see it.

I'm not quite sure when it happened, but there was a cut back lane the size of a truck and he just doesn't see it. Next play... the a ga, where he was heading for at first, had a yard or three, at least, just for him to pick up... And he jumps into the b gap and gets stopped after a yard.

It's frustrating to see him play. So much potential, but he isn't going anywhere. It reminds me of Finley a bit... Without the ridiculous jawing.


He holds onto the football though. He's also good at screens.

Both make me happy.

He will bust a long one. I'm guessing within 2 weeks. Just needs more game time.

Think of it this way - Green is like a noob at asking out babes. The first few times, anyone else who happens to see what's going on will squirm with embarrassment for the guy. Just give him more carries and he'll get better at it.

By the end of the year, I'm predicting he'll play games where he gets 20 carries for 70 yards, which is plenty sufficient in my book.
Offline Porforis  
#43 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:10:34 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
There is no "the" problem. There are problemS and the RB is part of it.


In the same way that Rodgers was part of the problem with the passing game yesterday because he's part of the equation and didn't play at 100% of his potential. Yes, it's a team game and everyone holds some responsibility, but you could have Jesus at RB and it won't matter if the line stinks. Nobody's claiming Green is anything but an average RB, but focusing on the RB is pointless until the line becomes something other than absolutely pitiful.
Offline earthquake  
#44 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:35:16 AM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
I won't disagree that RB attempts decide games. But a high number of carries are important if you wanna control the clock the whole game. Remember the 49ers game and the 2nd half of the Colts game, where we didn't run it more than 10 times. The 9ers/Colts stomped us cause they kept us off the field. And if we got a 3 and out 1 or 2 times strictly passing the ball it can kill you and bite you in the ass. That's why if we get those number of carries our team will have better success. Just the fact we have faith running the ball that much is encouraging even thoe we don't put up the yards. At least [mm] has been consistant with that the last 3 games.


Right but you need production as well, you need to get in solid down and distance situations to sustain drives. If you're running the ball every other down for 1-2 yards you're not going to keep the other team off the field, you're going to be punting a lot. So again, its not just carries. Carries alone doesn't tell you much, you need to look at situational carries and how effective the carries are. You can't just run the ball every play because "more attempts = wins".

Can you pick up 4 yards consistently on 1st/2nd down runs to get manageable 3rd down situations?
Can you convert 3rd/4th and 1/2 situations consistently?

I think these two are much more important to sustaining drives and playing ball control than simply the number of attempts. Often times attempts are low because you're not doing these two, which results in stalled drives and punting.

Again, did your team win because it had a lot of attempts, or did it have a lot of attempts because it won?
Offline PackerTraxx  
#45 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:44:10 AM(UTC)
Seven starters out makes a difference. It would have been nice to have a blowout, but it's a decent win considering. If we would have had Greg or Jordy available it most likely would have been a much better game for us. I was hoping Boykins would show a little more. The running game is really painful to watch. Hopefully Neal and Worthy are OK.
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