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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#101 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:35:00 AM(UTC)
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I've heard people complaining about the performance of just about everyone... The line as a whole, Rodgers, Crosby, Masthay, Finley, DJ Williams, Driver, you name it. I think we're all damned spoiled.


But when they are criticized, it has been justified. Finley has been sitting at 4 drops since what, week 3?
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#102 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:40:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
But when they are criticized, it has been justified. Finley has been sitting at 4 drops since what, week 3?


He's also has a measly 13 catches for 132 yards and 0 tds in the five games since week 3 as well, which is reason enough to be critical of him. Most of which have been games without Jennings so there should have been plenty of opportunities for him to put up some big numbers.
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#103 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 7:54:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: earthquake Go to Quoted Post
He's also has a measly 13 catches for 132 yards and 0 tds in the five games since week 3 as well, which is reason enough to be critical of him. Most of which have been games without Jennings so there should have been plenty of opportunities for him to put up some big numbers.


Not having Jennnigs, does not give Finley more opportunities, it makes it possible for the defense to cover him tighter because of not having to worry about Jennings. Finley is going to get the same amount of snaps. Jennings out gives another WR more oppourtunity.

He can't throw the ball to himself.

I'll go back through the game later this week, and pay attention to Finley to see the coverage on him, and if he is just being overlooked, or if it is coverage or just not getting open more that is causing fewer targets. It could be that Rodgers has been told that he was trying to force it to Finley to much.
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#104 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I'll go back through the game later this week, and pay attention to Finley to see the coverage on him, and if he is just being overlooked, or if it is coverage or just not getting open more that is causing fewer targets.


Why wouldn't Rodgers overlook Finley? I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the guy to make a tough catch over the middle at this point. I would personally trust Jones and Cobb more. When a player fails to make many clutch plays, it's only natural for them to drop down the progression a little bit.
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#105 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 10:36:55 AM(UTC)
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Why wouldn't Rodgers overlook Finley? I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the guy to make a tough catch over the middle at this point. I would personally trust Jones and Cobb more. When a player fails to make many clutch plays, it's only natural for them to drop down the progression a little bit.


Could it be, that Finley was having drops because he was getting targeted more, now that the targets have shifted, Cobb has as many drops as Finley.
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#106 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:11:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Could it be, that Finley was having drops because he was getting targeted more, now that the targets have shifted, Cobb has as many drops as Finley.


I don't have time to dig through football stats at the moment. All I can say is I know Randall Cobb has been consistently producing recently and Finley hasn't contributed much. It's one thing to drop passes, but if one is still producing, it's not as big of a deal. But several drops in addition to a lack of production isn't good. I'd be looking for Randall Cobb before Finley, unquestionably (and Nelson, Jennings, and Jones). Unfortunately, I'm not the QB of the Packers, though. =/


EDIT: And constant talk to the media doesn't help his case, even if it's minor comments. Just shut up and keep practicing and playing hard.

Finley's comments Re: Jags game: http://profootballtalk.n...d-after-beating-jaguars/
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#107 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:20:20 PM(UTC)
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I don't have much issue with Finley on the football field past his showboating nonsense over a rather routine play. He is helping the team through simply lining up.. if he can straighten out his drop issue (which apparently is almost flawless in practice, which probably is more mental than physical) all the better.


But he has to learn to either explain his points better or calm down and keep his emotions in check while talking to the press. Or stop talking so they don't nitpick them apart.

Yesterday it is the defense against the offense.. yada yada yada. I wish he would just calm down the talk in the press and let his actions show the way.

I firmly believe he has a fragile ego and needs to psych himself up in compensation.. let all this nonsense of chemistry go and just relax, play the game and catch the football.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#108 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:10:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I don't have time to dig through football stats at the moment. All I can say is I know Randall Cobb has been consistently producing recently and Finley hasn't contributed much. It's one thing to drop passes, but if one is still producing, it's not as big of a deal. But several drops in addition to a lack of production isn't good. I'd be looking for Randall Cobb before Finley, unquestionably (and Nelson, Jennings, and Jones). Unfortunately, I'm not the QB of the Packers, though. =/


EDIT: And constant talk to the media doesn't help his case, even if it's minor comments. Just shut up and keep practicing and playing hard.

Finley's comments Re: Jags game: http://profootballtalk.n...d-after-beating-jaguars/


And what is wrong with his comments? Was he not right?

Is it suprising that Finley has gone down in production, when Jennings has been out of games, when defenses can shift coverages to him? NO. Is is suprising that Cobb has increased? NO. It was expected. Much of Cobbs production comes from routes that get cleared by Finley pulling coverage away.

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#109 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:12:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Is is suprising that Cobb has increased? NO. It was expected. Much of Cobbs production comes from routes that get cleared by Finley pulling coverage away.



This is what many are missing in terms of what Finley does for us passed the catches (and drops) and his other contributions to the team.

That defenses still fear him.. and as long as he does that, he still is a production player for the Packers. Catches and impact plays are a bonus.



I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#110 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:25:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
This is what many are missing in terms of what Finley does for us passed the catches (and drops) and his other contributions to the team.

That defenses still fear him.. and as long as he does that, he still is a production player for the Packers. Catches and impact plays are a bonus.





DO they still fear him?

He's still tall, but he's not nearly as athletic as pre-knee injury, imo.
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