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Offline Porforis  
#1 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:03:20 PM(UTC)
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Ignoring hindsight, do you think the fake field goal resulting in a Masthay incompletion was a bad call? Obviously it was a poor pass and he looked to have a man open to the left close to the first down marker that he didn't see, but was the call itself a good or bad idea:

Context: Packers up 14-12 in the third quarter. Jacksonville has been moving the ball well in the first half, sputters on their first drive of the second half. The Packers have been ineffective on offense, and are at the Jacksonville 37 on fourth down with 6 to go. Do you let Crosby kick a long one to try to get points on the board, let Masthay punt it away, let the offense try to pick up the first, or move from field goal formation to having Masthay in the backfield, and let him try to throw for the first?

Personally, I'm a bit torn. If not for Crosby's recent difficulties, I'd say kick it. If the offense was in synch, I might even say go for it, but 6 yards is a bit steep. I personally would not make the call, but I'm not opposed to it. Unfortunately, the execution wasn't there and we turned the ball over. I do like that we are often unpredictable on special teams though, and would like to see more trickery at times on offense (fleaflicker, double reverse with Cobb, etc).
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:04:49 PM(UTC)
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Yay.

At worst, it keeps makes the blood pressure of the opposing ST coordinator go through the roof.

We're playing like the ol' Techmo Bowl. I love it.
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#3 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:06:46 PM(UTC)
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I am alright with the fake.. but the play design.. not so much. Splitting Crosby wide.. wasn't a threat, just clogged that side of the field off. The other side.. was a deep route..

If your going to have him throw the ball.. give him an under that he may be able to complete.

But they were looking for a spark yesterday.. that to me is more troubling.. that we need to find a spark with 3 losses already and Superbowl aspirations.
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This is probably why they've been attempting all those long FGs lately. To set this play up.

It gives other coords something to study on film, and think about during games.

I didn't mind it. Execution wasn't the best, but that's a different matter altogether.
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#5 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 2:14:32 PM(UTC)
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A fake at that part of the field, when Crosby has been having trouble I don't disagree with. The actualy play design I think was terrible. Shifting out just telegraphed it. Defense just needed to play the pass a punt wouldn't hurt them.

Only thing positive about the play, was the jags might not have known that he was a lefty.

But overall a terrible play design.
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A fake at that part of the field, when Crosby has been having trouble I don't disagree with. The actualy play design I think was terrible. Shifting out just telegraphed it. Defense just needed to play the pass a punt wouldn't hurt them.

Only thing positive about the play, was the jags might not have known that he was a lefty.

But overall a terrible play design.


That was definitely part of the surprise.

Bubba Franks and Ahman Green were both lefties.
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It was an odd play, but I don't mind it. They ran a similar play a couple of years ago against the Vikings when Flynn was the holder. It would have worked too if Quarless hadn't tripped.
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Offline Porforis  
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
A fake at that part of the field, when Crosby has been having trouble I don't disagree with. The actualy play design I think was terrible. Shifting out just telegraphed it. Defense just needed to play the pass a punt wouldn't hurt them.

Only thing positive about the play, was the jags might not have known that he was a lefty.

But overall a terrible play design.


I don't know if it necessarily gave away that they were going to pass it - It fooled me AND the announcers, I thought he was going to punt it away. But it does definitely put the defense on high alert. The flip side with splitting people wide is that it gives Masthay more time. If people just bump the rushers and go into their routes, Masthay has 2, 3 seconds max. Moving your men out wide also moves rushers away from Masthay, in a perfect world this would mean that he'd have a chance to look at more than one, two guys before having to throw it or run.
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 4:29:43 PM(UTC)
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Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't know if it necessarily gave away that they were going to pass it - It fooled me AND the announcers, I thought he was going to punt it away. But it does definitely put the defense on high alert. The flip side with splitting people wide is that it gives Masthay more time. If people just bump the rushers and go into their routes, Masthay has 2, 3 seconds max. Moving your men out wide also moves rushers away from Masthay, in a perfect world this would mean that he'd have a chance to look at more than one, two guys before having to throw it or run.


But as a defense, are you really going to care if you guess wrong and they punt? What is the worst that is going to happen, you get the ball. Outside of Cunningham quick kicking on 3rd down, I can't recall a trick play where the best result is the other team getting the ball.
Offline GermanGilbert  
#10 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 5:10:07 PM(UTC)
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I didn't really care about the fake, not at all, to be honest I really love the gutsy calls on special teams this season. That saved 7 yds, because I'm pretty sure Crosby would't have split the uprights from that distance based on the performance this season. However the final play call and its execution was horrible. Once they split out Crosby the play was obvious. I'd rather had run the fake out of the FG formation. That said, my call would have been "take a delay of game penalty and take an easier shot to nail them near their endzone."
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