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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:04:34 PM(UTC)
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OK, this part of the article I don't understand. Not the author, but the play selection.

If we're having so much trouble running left, why are half the plays to the left? Why not run more right up the middle and to the right?


I think much of the reason is the plays from shotgun, how Rodgers likes to hand the ball off and fake. When the back is coming from his right, running left. When Rodgers would come out of a fake, he would have his body turning in the same direction as his normal drop.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:25:06 PM(UTC)
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Well technically every scheme is a zone scheme of some sort. But the zone Mike brought in, the Outside Zone from Denver. We don't block well, and have never blocked well. And it is predominately LOS blocking, hoping for a lane to open up from a cut block or over pursuit of the defense.

There has been a switch to inside zone, with Benson and lately when we do run up the middle not from shotgun.



I disagree every scheme is a zone scheme... power scheme the Packers ran in the early 2000 with William Henderson clearly wasn't a zone scheme, it was a hat on a hat, beat your guy down...

And the Packers have run zone blocking where is wasn't LOS blocking, I remember in the NFL opener against the Saints, the Packers were able to run the ball at times very well, and people were so glad, it was working and they brought back the power blocking.... well it wasn't power blocking it was it was zone blocking and getting to the second level (my favorite type). Also you can have outside zone up the field as well. I think up the field outside zone would work best for RB Green. Speed RB who's doesn't have the best power or reading of blocks.

I agree with you that I have never liked the look of the LOS zone blocking, but if you can hold the rusher, then get the moving, and just one guy stop the movement of his guy, huge holes can open up. you have to be willing to go hit a guy around his knee though at times...



Up the field zone, is based on starting with a double team, say Lang and Saturday, going towards Lang way, the double team the NT, with Lang in the better position, then they put a quick switch, where Saturday gets into the better position, as Lang is leaving the NT and going to the second level and getting him a LB to block...

So Saturday has to hold the NT a short while one on one, but the RB should be through that hole soon, and Lang is up the field. Clearly you have to have quick linemen for that, which is where the idea of zone linemen have to be smaller.... which isn't true. They have to be quick... they're not always the easiest to find, but big quick linemen can work great too (Bulaga)
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:46:26 PM(UTC)
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I disagree every scheme is a zone scheme... power scheme the Packers ran in the early 2000 with William Henderson clearly wasn't a zone scheme, it was a hat on a hat, beat your guy down...

And the Packers have run zone blocking where is wasn't LOS blocking, I remember in the NFL opener against the Saints, the Packers were able to run the ball at times very well, and people were so glad, it was working and they brought back the power blocking.... well it wasn't power blocking it was it was zone blocking and getting to the second level (my favorite type). Also you can have outside zone up the field as well. I think up the field outside zone would work best for RB Green. Speed RB who's doesn't have the best power or reading of blocks.

I agree with you that I have never liked the look of the LOS zone blocking, but if you can hold the rusher, then get the moving, and just one guy stop the movement of his guy, huge holes can open up. you have to be willing to go hit a guy around his knee though at times...



Up the field zone, is based on starting with a double team, say Lang and Saturday, going towards Lang way, the double team the NT, with Lang in the better position, then they put a quick switch, where Saturday gets into the better position, as Lang is leaving the NT and going to the second level and getting him a LB to block...

So Saturday has to hold the NT a short while one on one, but the RB should be through that hole soon, and Lang is up the field. Clearly you have to have quick linemen for that, which is where the idea of zone linemen have to be smaller.... which isn't true. They have to be quick... they're not always the easiest to find, but big quick linemen can work great too (Bulaga)


Even "hat on hat" is still zone, once past HS even in HS more these days. Many call it rules blocking, but in essence it is still the same. Whether inside or outside, a lineman has a zone to block, and rules determine who to block. Defenses move around and change to much to not block zones. Depending where the defense lines up, determines blocking assignment. Saturday would either block the NT over him, or if uncovered, doubling left or right depending on the play. Only real difference, is the blocking momentum forward or sideways.

Even on pulling plays, LG pulls right, his zone is the first guy not blocked on the end of the line
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:06:13 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Even "hat on hat" is still zone, once past HS even in HS more these days. Many call it rules blocking, but in essence it is still the same. Whether inside or outside, a lineman has a zone to block, and rules determine who to block. Defenses move around and change to much to not block zones. Depending where the defense lines up, determines blocking assignment. Saturday would either block the NT over him, or if uncovered, doubling left or right depending on the play. Only real difference, is the blocking momentum forward or sideways.

Even on pulling plays, LG pulls right, his zone is the first guy not blocked on the end of the line


I'm not used to "hat on hat" being zone, to me it's man. Sounds like they're putting it in zone terms but it's still man... hit the first guy in your way, that's uncovered at you pull.
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Lang's been playing one handed due to an elbow injury. And Newhouse is a backup.

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.

Still seems like dude could have a little better vision though. AND I think they could use him better toward his skill set.

But I guess I'm not as down on him as I was before. I thought Green played with some heart in the last game.
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