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Offline zombieslayer  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:03:49 AM(UTC)
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I don't see the OL as being underrated.

As ZS pointed out the team has given up too many sacks. Some are on Aaron Rodgers for holding the ball too long. This is especially frustrating after having the buzzer go off in TC after 2.6 seconds. Seems like that was a wasted drill.

The struggles with the RB isn't all their fault. Some of it belongs on the OL. If it is the wrong blocking scheme that too is somewhat their fault. They are professionals in the NFL they have to excel in whatever system they are placed in. They can not be so limited as to only be good at one thing and one thing only.

That said I somewhat disagree with not looking at Ted for some of the problem. He may have drafted 14 players but he used very few high draft picks on the line. It is very difficult to turn coal into diamonds. It takes a lot of pressure, heat and time. Would I have wanted him to give up the WRs and gone with better linemen? No but just because he selects someone in the 6th or 7th round doesn't mean he is in the free and clear and that he is not responsible. Linemen in the 1st 2 rounds usually excel. 3-4th are capable of starting. The ones drafted 5-7 rounds are projects at best. 7 of them were picked up in the lower rounds so it is no surprise that most of them did not contribute in significant fashion.


I do get what you're saying, but 2 of the past 3 years, we used our 1st round picks on OL. Sherrod was a freak injury and Bulaga has been playing injured this year so looks worse than he is. Both should turn out to be solid players when they heal.

The best draft I remember for OL was 2000 when we got both Cliffy and Tauscher. None of our current Ts are on their level. So yes, they haven't been replaced. Will either Sherrod or Bulaga get to their level? Remains to be seen.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:20:22 AM(UTC)
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Tackles (7): Tony Moll (2006-5b), Breno Giacomini (2008-5), T.J. Lang (2009-4), Jamon Meredith (2009-5b), Bryan Bulaga (2010-1), Marshall Newhouse (2010-5b), Derek Sherrod (2011-1).

Guards (6): William Whitticker (2005-7b), Daryn Colledge (2006-2a), Jason Spitz (2006-3b), Allen Barbre (2007-4), Josh Sitton (2008-4b), Caleb Schlauderaff (2011-6a).

Center (1): Junius Coston (2005-5a).

Going by year:
2005 Coston played 'til '07 and Whitticker bombed. Fail
2006 Colledge and Spitz are still playing in the NFL today and Moll played up until last year. Success
2007 Barbre played up until last year. Wash
2008 Sitton starts for us and Giacomini starts for the 'Hawks. Success
2009 Lang is an important guy for us now who gets moved around all the time and Meredith started 4 games this year for the Bucs. Success
2010 Bulaga and Newhouse are both still on the team. Success
2011 Sherrod had that freak injury and Schlauderhaserhorf or whatever his name is still plays on the Jets, although he has no starts this year. Wash
2012 Datko's on our PS. He may be called up soon. ?

So yeah, I'd say Uncle Ted is off the hook.


So lets compare that to the league overall.. see how Ted Compares. First one, all drafts 2005 through 2011.

Okay.. so we draft a higher percentage of average offensive lineman.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:21:52 AM(UTC)
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But we know it takes about 3 years to evaluate a draft.. so 2005 - 2009.

Again.. we collect more starts.. but nothing of quality no All pros.. no Pro Bowls.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:35:12 AM(UTC)
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Attaching the list of drafted lineman since it is a easy as I have them documented.
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But we know it takes about 3 years to evaluate a draft.. so 2005 - 2009.

Again.. we collect more starts.. but nothing of quality no All pros.. no Pro Bowls.



Ouch. OK, Uncle Ted does get a strike against him.

I thought Josh Sitton made the Pro Bowl once and I checked and found I was mistaken.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:59:58 AM(UTC)
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Ouch. OK, Uncle Ted does get a strike against him.

I thought Josh Sitton made the Pro Bowl once and I checked and found I was mistaken.


I am not saying he has drafted horrible players, but it is slightly alarming that we haven't drafted a single pro bowl player in that span.

I stand by my conviction that Campen cannot develop consistent talent worth a pinch.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:00:01 AM(UTC)
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I do get what you're saying, but 2 of the past 3 years, we used our 1st round picks on OL. Sherrod was a freak injury and Bulaga has been playing injured this year so looks worse than he is. Both should turn out to be solid players when they heal.

The best draft I remember for OL was 2000 when we got both Cliffy and Tauscher. None of our current Ts are on their level. So yes, they haven't been replaced. Will either Sherrod or Bulaga get to their level? Remains to be seen.


agreed.
I intentionally did not mention with the OTs on the prior teams Uncle did not NEED to draft any in first round during those early years. I was just trying to keep things simple. Didn't mean to try and slant things.

I have no problem at all with his current OT first round selections.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:25:30 AM(UTC)
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For prespective on the Pro Bowl thing...

Between 2005 and 2009... 218 offensive lineman were drafted. Only 18 of those lineman have been voted to a Pro Bowl. 7.8 % of the players selected have made the Pro Bowl. 10 of those 17 were drafted in Round 1.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:49:40 AM(UTC)
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Okay.. so then I got curious.. which team seems to draft well and what is the norm by team.

Here you go. (2005 through 2009)
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I thought Scott Well or Josh Sitton went to the Pro Bowl?
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