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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer  Ouch. OK, Uncle Ted does get a strike against him.
I thought Josh Sitton made the Pro Bowl once and I checked and found I was mistaken. I am not saying he has drafted horrible players, but it is slightly alarming that we haven't drafted a single pro bowl player in that span. I stand by my conviction that Campen cannot develop consistent talent worth a pinch. |
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer I do get what you're saying, but 2 of the past 3 years, we used our 1st round picks on OL. Sherrod was a freak injury and Bulaga has been playing injured this year so looks worse than he is. Both should turn out to be solid players when they heal.
The best draft I remember for OL was 2000 when we got both Cliffy and Tauscher. None of our current Ts are on their level. So yes, they haven't been replaced. Will either Sherrod or Bulaga get to their level? Remains to be seen. agreed. I intentionally did not mention with the OTs on the prior teams Uncle did not NEED to draft any in first round during those early years. I was just trying to keep things simple. Didn't mean to try and slant things. I have no problem at all with his current OT first round selections. |
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For prespective on the Pro Bowl thing...
Between 2005 and 2009... 218 offensive lineman were drafted. Only 18 of those lineman have been voted to a Pro Bowl. 7.8 % of the players selected have made the Pro Bowl. 10 of those 17 were drafted in Round 1.
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Okay.. so then I got curious.. which team seems to draft well and what is the norm by team. Here you go. (2005 through 2009) Pack93z attached the following image(s):  Offensive Line By Team.JPG (137kb) downloaded 19 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register. |
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I thought Scott Well or Josh Sitton went to the Pro Bowl? |
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool I thought Scott Well or Josh Sitton went to the Pro Bowl? Scott Wells - Drafted 2004. Went to the pro bowl 2011 as a reserve. Sitton was an Alternate in 2010. Not a Primary player. And he was an alternate to the alternate. |
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z I am not saying he has drafted horrible players, but it is slightly alarming that we haven't drafted a single pro bowl player in that span.
I stand by my conviction that Campen cannot develop consistent talent worth a pinch. I'm not a huge Campen fan either, but he sure had his guys ready when Bulaga went down. Didn't miss a beat. EDS may prove to be a very good addition to our OL. I LOVE that his first game starting this year will be against the Lions...
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z For prespective on the Pro Bowl thing...
Between 2005 and 2009... 218 offensive lineman were drafted. Only 18 of those lineman have been voted to a Pro Bowl. 7.8 % of the players selected have made the Pro Bowl. 10 of those 17 were drafted in Round 1.
that is a part of the problem with using the PB as a yardstick of success. The players and fans keep voting the same ones in year after year. Even if someone has an off year people will vote for him out of habit and because we don't have good stats for OL along with the lack of knowledge on the part of many people as to who the OL are. If you stand outside any stadium on Sunday before the game and asked the fans who the OL for the other team I would say 80% of them can not name more than 2. So how can we expect them to know who the best linemen in the league are. |
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool I thought Scott Well or Josh Sitton went to the Pro Bowl? he got O-lineman of the year from NFL alum. |
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Originally Posted by: wpr that is a part of the problem with using the PB as a yardstick of success. The players and fans keep voting the same ones in year after year. Even if someone has an off year people will vote for him out of habit and because we don't have good stats for OL along with the lack of knowledge on the part of many people as to who the OL are. If you stand outside any stadium on Sunday before the game and asked the fans who the OL for the other team I would say 80% of them can not name more than 2. So how can we expect them to know who the best linemen in the league are. Agreed.. hence why All Pro and # of Games Played have been included. This is without getting into the metrics of play type information. |
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Under-rated?
Ahem. Er, no.
If anything, they are over-rated. Yes, they are better at pass blocking than at run blocking (though it wouldn't take a whole lot). But were it not for Rodgers' and his running/scrambling ability, they'd have double the sacks they've actually given up. So, IMO, even just looking at their pass blocking, they still are mired in the average/serviceable category.
(This opinion of mine, of course, surprises no one.)
IMO, Ted is really good at almost everything he does. But I think the Packers ability to scout/choose OL is probably his (and the scouting department's, generally) is his biggest weakness. |
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Earlier in his tenure, Mike McCarthy was ASKING for "smaller, quicker" linemen to fit this idiotic zBS bullshit.
Since they've been hybridizing that more, Ted has been allowed to go get "bigger, stronger" guys, and he's done far better. |
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I hope they're under rated, that that means they can do better, whether it's with a new coach or not, whatever it takes. I would really like to see them get really good not only for production but for Aaron's health. Right now they need to get the Oline healthy and Ted Thompson has to continue to do his job by adding depth and drafting over what we have when possible. |
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Saturday was on the nfl network before the Arizona game and he said they were giving up too many sacks BUT they realize this is going to happen a bit cause we are trying to hold the ball and make some plays down the field. I feel we only get the ball out quick when it's our only option and Rodgers hits the turf 4-5 times. |
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Saturday was on the nfl network before the Arizona game and he said they were giving up too many sacks BUT they realize this is going to happen a bit cause we are trying to hold the ball and make some plays down the field. I feel we only get the ball out quick when it's our only option and Rodgers hits the turf 4-5 times. Arodge=stats whore. I hope he "takes that to heart" and proves me wrong. |
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